Posted on 02/09/2005 9:01:35 AM PST by kellynla
WASHINGTON, Feb. 8 - Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, the House majority leader, said Tuesday that conservatives might be able to compromise with President Bush on his proposal allowing illegal immigrants to work in the United States legally.
Such a compromise could entail, for example, requiring illegal immigrants to return to their native countries to apply for the program, Mr. DeLay said.
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Mr. DeLay said he talked recently with the president, who has advocated a guest worker program that would be open to workers who are currently in the country illegally as well as to newcomers.
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I can see you drooling over the prospect.
You two are nailing the real problem here.
Regime change for Mexico will do everyone involved a lot of good-- except the racist control freak regime in Mexico City.
Troble is, bayourod would be there crying right along with him. Poor bayourod's landscaping!
tell that to Tom "I'm proud to be Santiago Creel's amigo" Ridge, Mexico's lapdog de jour
LOL !
Who ever said GWB was a uniter might have been right.
That situation doesn't exist except in isolated rust belt states where labor unions and governments hostile to businesses have decimated the job market.
In most parts of the country there are labor shortages of the type people you describe. That's why immigrant laborers are here.
California is experiencing such a severe labor shortage at its ports that several shipping companies are relocating to Houston. And we're having to bring in special guest workers to handle their business.
I would be ashamed to admit that I couldn't compete with illegal immigrants in the job market. Wouldn't you? That should tell you something about the character os someone who does. They are losers.
"Matching "willing employer with employee" will mean the end of the middle class as we know it so Delay and the GOP better make their plans ahead of time to get future votes from all the guest workers they allow in."
Exactly! They're sure overestimating their ability to pull in our votes after the major screwing this "guest worker" program is shaping up to be for the American middle and working classes, aren't they? :)
Incidentally, have you been able to find ANY hard data regarding the number of "guest workers" the President's program is supposed to allow into the country every year? Have you been able to find out ANYTHING about how he's intending to enforce the "hire Americans first" caveat of his proposal? Or how he proposes getting these "guest workers" to leave once their time limit is up? I sure haven't seen anything about that in any of the articles I've read regarding his "guest worker" proposal.
Sounds like a pig in a poke to me.
No one is getting any preferential treatment. There is only one line for guest workers. Do you understand the difference between "immigrants" and "guest workers". Immigrants come here to spend the rest of their lives here and become citizens. Guest workers just want to work here until they can afford to return home.
They are apples and oranges. You can't say that rules for one group are fair or unfair to the other. No one goes in front of anyone else or gets preferential treatment.
Poland recently asked the Bush administration to petition congress to change the visa rule for Poles to match the rules for other EU countries and Bush ignored them. Yet just after that he was in South America pleading with the leaders down there who won't support his war on terror. Bush has chosen to ignore Poland who supported him and sucks up to the South Americans who scoff at him. You figure it out. I can't.
What angers Poles most, however, is a four-letter word: visa. The U.S. Embassy in Warsaw charges Poles $100 per visa application whether the document to travel to America is granted or not.
Then there's the prospect of fingerprinting and mug shots to meet new security regulations. Many Poles consider all this a bewildering slap to their dignity, especially given that millions of Americans come from Polish stock.
"We put a lot into the Iraq war," said Karol Domzala, a student at Warsaw University. "But there's still this visa embarrassment. We're one of the U.S.' best allies, but we have to line up and feel like second-class citizens. The Cold War is over, but I think America still looks at us like we're those poor people in the east."
Despite perceived slights, Poland cradles a deep affinity for the United States. It is the only "red state" in Europe. Poles favored President Bush over Sen. John F. Kerry in the last election, and, perhaps because of their strong Catholicism, they prefer a world of religion-driven moral clarity. Warsaw and Washington often gaze through the same prism, and their strategic motives, from dealing with Ukraine to fighting violent extremists, frequently overlap.
I'm sure that's the way you see it. But, have you ever heard Bush talk about his amnesty program for anyone other than hispanics. Has he ever included Poles, Russians, Asians Iraish, Africans, etc. in his talks? Never.
As usual you don't know what you're talking about. NYS, although part of the so-called rust belt is also very rural and home to literally hundreds if not thousands of small and very large farms. There aren't very many illegals here yet but all the work is getting done, and by mostly country kids who are used to that kind of hard labor.
You continue to act as if the world is going to come to end without massive immigration but your misleading arguments are easily refuted.
He doesn't have an amnesty program. People who say that are not informed of the facts or they have been brain washed by spending too much time at racists websites such as StormFront.
That's probably why you are under the impression that Bush has said that his program only applies to Mexicans.
Exactly. That's why illegals are not there. They aren't needed. Illegals come to work, if there are no job openings in an area they don't go there.
Hi EagleMama a few months back I did see on CSPAN a rep from the Bush administration who stated the program would be open to every sector of the economy. And just the idea of a job opening meant the employer needed a willing employee, which translates into filling that job with a foreigner if necessary.
So my impression was no numerical limit would be placed on the number of guest workers who could be brought in. At least H1-b does a have cap, though that's no comfort to the thousands of tech workers who have been displaced.
Bayourod, if the illegals weren't in Houston or Phoenix or Chicago then just as in upstate NY the citizens would do the jobs as they always have. The illegals are driving down wages and benefits, that's why employers prefer them over Americans. You don't need a Master's degree to figure it out.
That's pretty much what I was afraid of. Thanks for the information.
Yeah. Right.
I'm familiar with the theory of supply and demand, but I reject the idea that illegals are "driving down wages". I view them as relieving pressures that force wages up beyond that of a normal market.
Remember that the reason we originally set limits on immigration, and the reason they are so low today is because the labor unions dominate the Democrat Party. Unions use both the federal and state governments to artificially create shortages of labor in order to extort higher wages. The results are rust belt states and declining industrial sectors such as steel.
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