Posted on 02/08/2005 10:48:57 PM PST by ainitfunny
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Yahoo! News News Home - Help AFP CIA renditions of terror suspects are 'out of control:' report
Sun Feb 6, 5:57 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites)'s 'rendition' of suspected terrorists has spiralled 'out of control' according to a former FBI (news - web sites) agent, cited in a report which examined how CIA (news - web sites) detainees are spirited to states suspected of using torture.
Michael Scheuer a former CIA counterterrorism agent told The New Yorker magazine "all we've done is create a nightmare," with regard to the top secret practice of renditions.
In an article titled 'Outsourcing Torture' due to hit newsstands this week, the magazine claims suspects, sometimes picked up by the CIA, are often flown to Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Jordan, "each of which is known to use torture in interrogations."
The report said suspects are given few, if any, legal protections.
Despite US laws that ban America from expelling or extraditing individuals to countries where torture occurs, Scott Horton -- an expert on international law who has examined CIA renditions -- estimates that 150 people have been picked up in the CIA dragnet since 2001.
The New Yorker report said that suspects in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East "have been abducted by hooded or masked American agents" and then sometimes forced onto a white Gulfstream V jet.
The jet -- marked on its tail by the code N379P which has recently been changed to N8068V -- "has been registered to a series of dummy American corporations ... (and) has clearance to land at US military bases," it said.
Maher Arar was arrested in 2002 by US officials at John F. Kennedy airport and then claims he was put on a "executive jet" which flew him to Amman, Jordan, before he was driven to Syria.
Arar says he was tortured in Syria and told his interrogators anything they wanted due to the beatings He was released without charge in 2003 and is suing the US government for his mistreatment.
He claims that the crew onboard the Gulfstream identified themselves as "the Special Removal Unit" during radio communications on his flight to Jordan.
"The most common destinations for rendered suspects are Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Jordan, all of which have been cited for human rights violations by the (US) State Department," the report said.
By holding detainees without counsel or charges of wrongdoing, the administration of US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) "has jeopardized its chances of convicting hundreds of suspected terrorists, or even of using them as witnesses in almost any court in the world," the report said.
The article cited Dan Coleman, an ex Federal Bureau of Investigation counterterrorism expert who retired in July 2003.
Coleman told The New Yorker that torture "has become bureaucratized," by the Bush administration, and that the practice of renditions is "out of control."
Scheuer said there had been a legal process underlying early renditions, but as more suspects were rounded up following the September 11, 2001, attacks, "all we've done is create a nightmare."
Abductees are effectively classified as "illegal enemy combatants," by the US government, which is how it also classifies the estimated 550 'war on terror' detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Such a classifiction, the US argues, exempts such detainees from the protections of the Geneva Conventions, part of which govern the treatment of prisoners.
The report also cited the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, as saying Washington has accepted intelligence from Uzkbekistan that was "largely rubbish."
[B]The ambassador claims to know of at least three individuals rendered to Uzbekistan by the United States, where cases of the authorities boiling prisoners' body parts have been documented.[/B]
Washington has admitted it is holding some suspects, including top Al-Qaeda operative Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, but it does not say where he is detained.
Mohammed has reportedly been "water boarded" during interrogations: So called 'water boarding' refers to a practice whereby a detainee is bound and immersed in water until he nearly drowns.
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Umm... boiling body parts would be known as 'rendering'.
Usually for pig feed.
Go.
Now.
Buy all the pig feed you can.
Save the poor terrorist souls from being contaminated with pig.
Hurry!
Consider that the source is the French press - this is hype.
It really does have that patina. Reads something like a paperback you'd find in an Army surplus store.
What happened to spies or saboteurs in every other war? And since they are here without the backing of a country just a religion, even those rules do not apply. We are dealing with a totally new type of combatant, perhaps they should have signed on to the Geneva Convention before starting this war, though no islamic country ever keeps that promise, but at least we would have.
While it is a very dangerous precedent, it is one bound by certain rules, come here to destroy us because of your religion not your country, Geneva does not apply. They knew that coming here, they just thought we were wimps, they know it now if they come.
Because that would be blatantly illegal as well politically and diplomatically troublesome.
You've been trolling for a long time and it ain't funny.Man, really. This guy (ainitfunny) signed up a few days after I did,
and today is the first I recall seeing his screen name.Oh, no wonder. ALL of his posting history for over 3.5 years is on
ONE PAGE of "In Forum" comments.
Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . .don't be shy.
Looks like we have a sleeper troll that decided to wake up and grace us with his mindless babble.
Guess he got to ride in the cockpit.
Exactly. Scheuer has been playing by the 'Rat playbook for a long time - he and his like-minded pals are surely the ones who provide all the convenient 'leaks' of classified reports and info whenever they can be used to try to put the current administration in a bad light.
Illegal? Are you serious?
This scumbag was one of the first resignations from the CIA after Mr Goss took over.
The search below shows how under the pen name of Anonymous,
he has attacked our WOT.
http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=Michael%20Scheuer
Beware of any article he has written, is quoted in and anyone who posts his bs on Free Republic.
"Yep, I think its a troll also. I just got done reading its posts."
I have the same feeling after readings its posts and replies. It never misses an opportunity to slash America, GW and our military.
It smells, sounds and looks like a deep embedden troll.
Yep! I bet the countdown timer is already tickin'. :^)
Anyone who tries to tell you differently doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
Uh. Thanks for addressing a point that I didn't make.
I was alluding to the fact that combatants without uniforms or command structure are not covered by Geneva Conventions. What goes on after that is a different argument that you can have with someone else.
My point is that we have yet to publicly and clearly and repetitively differentiated between Geneva-covered combatants and terrorists up front.
More like ROTFLMAO...I stopped reading at that point, the idea was just waaaaay too ridiculous.
Point #2 - Forgot to apply liberal doses of TINFOIL to the article and you fried your brain.
Point #3 - Don't be shy. You started this thread, answer up.
Thanks for the heads-up and the link.
Regards,
LH
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