Posted on 02/07/2005 3:46:06 AM PST by DaveTesla
The Humanist Mission of Our Schools.
I think the most important factor leading us to a
secular society has been the educational factor. Our
schools may not teach Johnny to read properly, but the
fact that Johnny is in school until he is 16 tends to
lead toward the elimination of religious superstition.
The average child now acquires a high school education,
and this militates against Adam and Eve and all other
myths of alleged history.
Humanist writer Paul Blanshard.
Extending State Control.
Humanists know that the future of our country rests
with our children. Therefore, in order to control the
future of our country, they must control the minds of
our children. And the easiest way to control our
children is to control the schools.
Radical left-wing writers, including Alexander Cockburn
and James Ridgeway, incessantly rail against
parental "interference" in schools, because, as they
openly acknowledge, "The Left can't survive politically
without a public school system to spread leftist
attitudes."[3]
The New Curriculum.
The future of any nation lies with its youth. So
corrupt them; since religion teaches moral virtue,
erode the churches and divert the young from religion.
Make them interested only in themselves. Get them
involved in drugs, alcohol, and sex. Get them addicted
to privileges and rights.
Vladimir Lenin's "Rule for Revolution" #1.
"Reading, writing and arithmetic" no longer figure
prominently in today's exotic public school curricula.
Children who attend public school will be compelled to
learn the following;
• that homosexuality is a perfectly acceptable
alternative lifestyle;
.....SNIP......
C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man.
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I know my position on the issue but I don't understand your hesitation to answer a clarifying question. Since you brought up the issue of confronting homosexuals at school, what's your position? Apparently you have an appropriate age range for the issue of homosexuality at school, what is that age range?
Sounds like you did a great job and deserve to be very proud.
Why should I address that question? If it ever happens to me, God forbid, I will formulate an answer at that time. I will say this: If you really are unqualified to educate your child, and many people are, then by all means send them to school.
I will recount the following story for your benefit, however: Long before I was born, my grandparents had a nephew...my father's cousin...named Bill. Bill had Down syndrome and was profoundly retarded, with his mental ability frozen at the rough equivalent of the average four-year-old.
This was in the 1950s, and Bill lived in what was charitably called an "institution," a place where the retarded and disabled were warehoused in a sort of managed bedlam. My grandmother used to take my father and his four siblings on visits to see Bill, a boy whose mother had decided she was unqualified to raise him. On one of those visits, when Bill was 10, my granparents decided to pursue adopting Bill and to bring him home to their small, already-crowded home.
Arrangements were made with my great-aunt, Bill's mother, and my grandmother took over his education. The professionals of that day informed my grandmother that Bill was ineducable, and would never learn to speak; yet through my grandmother's persistence, he did so. One had to listen closely to decipher Bill's muddy pronunciation, but speak he did. The same was true of all the basic tasks of living; Bill had to be taught them all, from how to properly use a toilet to how to dress himself, brush his teeth, and use silverware. Eventually he had to learn to shave, and did. In his 30s, Bill's fast-deteriorating teeth were all pulled. My grandmother was told that Bill would never learn to manage dentures; but by then, being told "no" was de rigeur for my grandmother, and Bill handled his false teeth like a champ. All this education happened in the milieu of a hardscrabble mountain farm owned by a family that could only charitably rate the term "poor."
Bill died just a few years ago at age 58, having outlived the usual lifespan of a Down syndrome patient by a fair margin. In his middle years he developed a curious combination of toddler intelligence and emotional maturity; while Bill was never very smart, he had the bearing of a mature man. He had become competent within his surroundings, and although he always required supervision he was a useful member of his society and had a great many friends.
I believe that Bill lived life as fully as he did because my grandmother believed in her own capacity to teach, and Bill's capacity to learn, and because she didn't understand (let alone respect) the word "quit."
I don't have my grandmother's dogged determination, and I wouldn't expect you to either unless you were an extraordinary person. Consequently, I cannot stand in judgment of what you do with your daughter. However, do not assume that you aren't capable of teaching her. Teaching, even special education, is a learned skill, and you can acquire it if you wish.
Troll.
"I do not send my children to school to be abused and confused."
You don't have to send them to school. Kids are confronted by others outside of school.
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Children who fly commercial airlines without their parents may be at the mercy of airport predators, according to an exclusive Problem Solvers report.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1337874/posts
"When your kids do confront a homosexual what will their response be?"
"How would they know said person was a homosexual?"
Probably wouldn't recognize it as such if those charged with their education insist on keeping them ignorant.
Sex education. A kid can find out the hard way through trial and error, make mistakes along the way, perhaps harbor untruths and fallacies or they can be educated and informed.
And this has to happen in a classroom why?
"I know my position on the issue"
That's nice. I guess you're just not able to defend it or haven't fully developed the answer to the point you feel comfortable answering.
Troll.
Name calling now there's an effective way to advance a viewpoint and foster reasonable discussion.
Did you major in forensics?
"Sex education. A kid can find out the hard way through trial and error, make mistakes along the way, perhaps harbor untruths and fallacies or they can be educated and informed."
Oh yes! In Brookline, MA, one teacher has determined that her 8th grade students need to know how lesbians have sex.
That's a great comment, and quite true, too.
I have watched my wife overcome some rather large obstacles in teaching our boys, both of which were adopted with mental, emotional and physical issues.
Maybe you're right, luckystarmom, but don't sell yourself short. There may be support in a co-op or something similar...
Name-calling has its uses; categorization enables us to distinguish, for example, a debater (one who is interested in exchanging points of view on a topic, in order to develop a better-informed point of view on that topic) and a troll (one who does not engage in debate, but who pretends to in order to mock debaters).
Your wilful determination to claim that I am unable to defend my point of view when I have pointed out that I am actually unwilling to do so, when so many others have already made my point so fully and so well, puts you firmly in the troll class. Unless and until you try reading up on the topic of public education, I really have no time for you.
Good day.
And this has to happen in a classroom why?
Not sure which part of the information you're talking about, the valid info or invalid but...
It's a natural consequence of kids getting hormones and being curious. They may ask their friends or teacher.
As to the school, biology and the teaching thereof has been an accepted part of the sciences for quite some time now.
Then there's the subject of psychology which seeks to teach man's understanding of man and what makes people tick...what motivates people to behave the way they do.
Further, schools like any public place might be the target of predators, which is not to say all homosexuals are predators of children, but children should be aware and imparted with the knowledge that someone may approach them who don't have their best interest at heart.
I'm surprised you didn't apparently know that.
Yet no matter how much misdirection you use, it's not about me. You brought it up and now you're dodging and weaving when asked for clarification.
I find it interesting when some folks dodge and weave when asked to clarify something they said.
But this discussion is about schooling. Why does the issue of kids meeting or as you say "confronting" homosexuals come to mind? School or no school, kids will meet all sorts of people, possibly including homosexuals.
School itself is an unjust intrusion on people's lives, never minding any specific teacher who teaches there. That's what this thread is about.
Yep...definitely a troll. How many troll points do you think that dig was worth, Dave?
It might be instructive for you folks to look at the topic of this thread again.
"CONTROL OF THE FUTURE THROUGH CONTROL OF THE SCHOOLS"
It's seems the consensus amongst you folks and one that is at odds with that process, the education matter of public schools and that is certainly perogative. Homeschooling is fine but it does not allow one to control public schools.
A "head in the sand" I'll teach my kid at home does nothing to give you a voice in how YOUR tax dollars are being spent and regardless of how well you do at homeschooling, your kids will still live in a world of kids educated in a system you apparently deplore.
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