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H.R.418 - The REAL ID ACT - Cosponsors
Congress ^ | Feb. 02, 2005 | James Sensenbrenner

Posted on 02/06/2005 11:41:16 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage

H.R.418 Title: To establish and rapidly implement regulations for State driver's license and identification document security standards, to prevent terrorists from abusing the asylum laws of the United States, to unify terrorism-related grounds for inadmissibility and removal, and to ensure expeditious construction of the San Diego border fence. Sponsor: Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. [WI-5] (introduced 1/26/2005) Cosponsors (125) Latest Major Action: 1/26/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committees on Homeland Security, and Government Reform, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned. (complete text of bill at: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.418:)

COSPONSORS(125), ALPHABETICAL

Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Alexander, Rodney [LA-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Bachus, Spencer [AL-6] - 1/26/2005 Rep Baker, Richard H. [LA-6] - 1/26/2005 Rep Barton, Joe [TX-6] - 1/26/2005 Rep Bass, Charles F. [NH-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Beauprez, Bob [CO-7] - 2/2/2005 Rep Bilirakis, Michael [FL-9] - 1/26/2005 Rep Blackburn, Marsha [TN-7] - 1/26/2005 Rep Blunt, Roy [MO-7] - 1/26/2005 Rep Bono, Mary [CA-45] - 1/26/2005 Rep Boozman, John [AR-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Bradley, Jeb [NH-1] - 1/26/2005 Rep Brady, Kevin [TX-8] - 1/26/2005 Rep Brown-Waite, Ginny [FL-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Burgess, Michael C. [TX-26] - 1/26/2005 Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Buyer, Steve [IN-4] - 1/26/2005 Rep Calvert, Ken [CA-44] - 1/26/2005 Rep Camp, Dave [MI-4] - 1/26/2005 Rep Cantor, Eric [VA-7] - 1/26/2005 Rep Capito, Shelley Moore [WV-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 1/26/2005 Rep Chabot, Steve [OH-1] - 1/26/2005 Rep Chocola, Chris [IN-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Coble, Howard [NC-6] - 1/26/2005 Rep Cox, Christopher [CA-48] - 1/26/2005 Rep Crenshaw, Ander [FL-4] - 1/26/2005 Rep Cubin, Barbara [WY] - 1/26/2005 Rep Culberson, John Abney [TX-7] - 1/26/2005 Rep Cunningham, Randy (Duke) [CA-50] - 1/26/2005 Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4] - 1/26/2005 Rep Davis, Jo Ann [VA-1] - 1/26/2005 Rep Davis, Lincoln [TN-4] - 1/26/2005 Rep Davis, Tom [VA-11] - 1/26/2005 Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-10] - 1/26/2005 Rep Doolittle, John T. [CA-4] - 1/26/2005 Rep Drake, Thelma D. [VA-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Dreier, David [CA-26] - 1/26/2005 Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Emerson, Jo Ann [MO-8] - 1/26/2005 Rep Everett, Terry [AL-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Feeney, Tom [FL-24] - 1/26/2005 Rep Foley, Mark [FL-16] - 1/26/2005 Rep Forbes, J. Randy [VA-4] - 1/26/2005 Rep Fossella, Vito [NY-13] - 1/26/2005 Rep Foxx, Virginia [NC-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Gallegly, Elton [CA-24] - 1/26/2005 Rep Garrett, Scott [NJ-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Gillmor, Paul E. [OH-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] - 1/26/2005 Rep Gohmert, Louie [TX-1] - 1/26/2005 Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6] - 1/26/2005 Rep Green, Mark [WI-8] - 1/26/2005 Rep Gutknecht, Gil [MN-1] - 1/26/2005 Rep Hart, Melissa A. [PA-4] - 1/26/2005 Rep Hayes, Robin [NC-8] - 2/2/2005 Rep Hayworth, J. D. [AZ-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Herger, Wally [CA-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Hoekstra, Peter [MI-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Hostettler, John N. [IN-8] - 1/26/2005 Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] - 1/26/2005 Rep Hyde, Henry J. [IL-6] - 1/26/2005 Rep Inglis, Bob [SC-4] - 2/2/2005 Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49] - 1/26/2005 Rep Istook, Ernest J., Jr. [OK-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Johnson, Sam [TX-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Keller, Ric [FL-8] - 1/26/2005 Rep Kennedy, Mark R. [MN-6] - 1/26/2005 Rep King, Steve [IA-5] - 1/26/2005 Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 1/26/2005 Rep Kline, John [MN-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Lewis, Jerry [CA-41] - 1/26/2005 Rep Lewis, Ron [KY-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Linder, John [GA-7] - 1/26/2005 Rep Lungren, Daniel E. [CA-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Manzullo, Donald A. [IL-16] - 1/26/2005 Rep McCaul, Michael T. [TX-10] - 1/26/2005 Rep McCrery, Jim [LA-4] - 1/26/2005 Rep McHugh, John M. [NY-23] - 1/26/2005 Rep McKeon, Howard P. (Buck) [CA-25] - 1/26/2005 Rep Miller, Candice S. [MI-10] - 2/2/2005 Rep Miller, Gary G. [CA-42] - 1/26/2005 Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 1/26/2005 Rep Musgrave, Marilyn N. [CO-4] - 1/26/2005 Rep Myrick, Sue [NC-9] - 1/26/2005 Rep Neugebauer, Randy [TX-19] - 1/26/2005 Rep Northup, Anne M. [KY-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Norwood, Charlie [GA-9] - 1/26/2005 Rep Nunes, Devin [CA-21] - 1/26/2005 Rep Osborne, Tom [NE-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Otter, C. L. (Butch) [ID-1] - 1/26/2005 Rep Pence, Mike [IN-6] - 2/2/2005 Rep Peterson, Collin C. [MN-7] - 2/2/2005 Rep Pickering, Charles W. (Chip) [MS-3] - 2/2/2005 Rep Pitts, Joseph R. [PA-16] - 1/26/2005 Rep Radanovich, George [CA-19] - 1/26/2005 Rep Ramstad, Jim [MN-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Rogers, Mike [MI-8] - 1/26/2005 Rep Rogers, Mike D. [AL-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Rohrabacher, Dana [CA-46] - 1/26/2005 Rep Royce, Edward R. [CA-40] - 1/26/2005 Rep Ryan, Paul [WI-1] - 1/26/2005 Rep Sessions, Pete [TX-32] - 1/26/2005 Rep Shadegg, John B. [AZ-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Shaw, E. Clay, Jr. [FL-22] - 1/26/2005 Rep Shuster, Bill [PA-9] - 1/26/2005 Rep Simpson, Michael K. [ID-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Smith, Lamar [TX-21] - 1/26/2005 Rep Souder, Mark E. [IN-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Stearns, Cliff [FL-6] - 1/26/2005 Rep Sullivan, John [OK-1] - 1/26/2005 Rep Sweeney, John E. [NY-20] - 1/26/2005 Rep Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6] - 1/26/2005 Rep Thomas, William M. [CA-22] - 1/26/2005 Rep Thornberry, Mac [TX-13] - 2/2/2005 Rep Turner, Michael R. [OH-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Wamp, Zach [TN-3] - 1/26/2005 Rep Weldon, Dave [FL-15] - 1/26/2005 Rep Wicker, Roger F. [MS-1] - 2/2/2005 Rep Wilson, Joe [SC-2] - 1/26/2005 Rep Wolf, Frank R. [VA-10] - 2/2/2005


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; aliens; bigbrother; congress; driverlicense; driverslicense; hr418; identification; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; inconvenient; nationalid; natlsecurityfirst; orwell; orwellian; privacy; righttoprivacy; sensenbrenner
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To: Txsleuth

I remember it too, but I can't find it. He's probably scared like everyone else of the "D" word.


41 posted on 02/06/2005 1:42:16 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: frannie
The only analogy I can come up with in a hurry is car keyes keys. If a thief wants your car he will get it; but I don't help them out by leaving it unlocked with the keyes keys in the ignition.

Sorry, my public education shows every now and then.
42 posted on 02/06/2005 1:57:33 PM PST by GrandEagle (I>)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
Oww! That list of Cosponsors hurt my eyes, JAS!
;^D

Question:
Does HR 418 have any drawbacks or areas of concern for civil liberties?
Many people are understandably concerned about a national ID. Does H.R. 418 just help states to communicate with each other, and avoid replication of drivers licenses?
43 posted on 02/06/2005 2:36:11 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: FBD; Txsleuth; All

This may be helpful:

Fulfilling a vow to return to these issues, Sensenbrenner (R.-Wis.) introduced the REAL ID act two weeks ago. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R.-Tex.) has scheduled a vote on the bill this week. HUMAN EVENTS Editor Terence P. Jeffrey spoke with Sensenbrenner last week about his proposal.

HUMAN EVENTS: What are the key provisions of your REAL ID act?

SENSENBRENNER: There are four provisions. First, an applicant for a driver's license or renewal must prove lawful presence in the United States, otherwise the driver's license will be endorsed that they have not done so. The driver's licenses would have to indicate lawful presence to be used for federal purposes, such as getting on an airplane. Second, the bill tightens the asylum laws so that terrorists, like the one who plotted the '93 World Trade Center bombing and the man who shot up the entrance to the CIA headquarters, could not get into the country and roam around as an asylum applicant. Third, the bill completes the 3-and-half mile gap in the border fence south of San Diego that has been held up as a result of environmental lawsuits. And fourth, the bill changes the law that says that if an alien is not admissible into the United States because of affiliation with terrorist groups, that alien is deportable. The present law says if someone makes a mistake to let you in, we cannot kick you out in some circumstances.

HUMAN EVENTS: When these provisions were being discussed last year, some in the Senate said we should not interfere with the rights of states to deal with their driver's licenses. Why does your proposal not contradict the 10th Amendment, which says that powers not specifically delegated to the federal government should be reserved to the states or the people?

SENSENBRENNER: It does not do so because it does not tell the states who they can issue driver's licenses to and who they can't. What it does say is that when they issue a driver's license, in order for that driver's license to be used for federal ID purposes, the applicant must show lawful presence in the United States. This, in my opinion, is a very important provision if we are to avoid the pressure for a national ID card, which I oppose.

Read the entire interview: http://www.HumanEventsOnline.com/article.php?id=6504

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Nothing to mention in the bill to actually change any "illegal immigration" policies. Of course we could just enforce the existing laws, couldn't we? It doesn't call for more border enforcement or cutting off welfare, medical to illegals or adress anchor babies. This bill could go side by side next to Pres. Bush's "suggestions" with no problem, couldn't it? It really only addresses the "terrorism" aspect, which is why CAIR probably hates it. I'll have to read about their objections.
The bill seems to be a start, but not much else.


44 posted on 02/06/2005 4:26:43 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

I have a question--

If there will be a mark or designation on the license that will signify whether the person is here legally or not for Federal ID purposes, WHY would the illegals go get the license to begin with?

And when they did, if they couldn't prove they are here legally, then why can't they be picked up and shipped back to their home country?

Sorry, I may be dense, but I am not seeing where this is gonna change anything..


45 posted on 02/06/2005 4:35:50 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
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To: Txsleuth

The same "specially marked" license has been touted by Arnold in Calif. I guess they think it will somehow track people.


I'm with you, not much changing with this legislation. How can the OBL be so opposed. But they haven't said much one way or the other about Sensenbrenner's bill. I just don't know anymore.


46 posted on 02/06/2005 4:56:48 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Another question---

I read that the reason that the fence hasn't been completed in California is because of the presence of some birds and that the fence would bother their nesting place or something--correct?

If Sensenbrenner is going to the trouble to put the finishing of the fence in this bill---even though there are a bunch of people against it, then WHY aren't there fences going along the rest of the border?

I guarantee you that the people that live along the borders in Arizona and New Mexico and Texas would looooooooove to have fences put up, I dare say they would even hire some "illegals" to help put them up--I would add a laugh sign here, but I don't think I am that far off!!!

He is also having to correct decisions made by the 9th circuit in this bill---why don't they just get rid of the 9th circuit or something---

I'm sorry if I am not making sense--I just think that this bill is gonna cause a lot of debate and waste a lot of time, and I don't see enough problems solved--


47 posted on 02/06/2005 5:20:56 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
CAIR is against this bill. http://www.cair.com

      Even a stopped clock is right once or twice a day.  The enemy of our enemy may not be our friend.  Bad is bad.  And this bill is BAD.
48 posted on 02/06/2005 6:08:43 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: eldoradude
A national ID card or even state driver's licenses tied to a common database will not do anything to make America safer from terrorists.

      Very true, worth repeating, and something being ignored by those who want a national ID card. 

What luck for rulers that men do not think.
Adolph Hitler

49 posted on 02/06/2005 6:17:40 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Celtman

Worth repeating again. Even if everyone ever born in America had a chip implanted, there is NO reason to believe the government would use that to more effectively fight illegal immigration.

In fact history tells us it will be used, not against illegals, but against us ourselves.

The government already has enough on people. They can probably be absolutely certain if you are legit within 60 seconds of getting back in their car and getting online to the various databases.


50 posted on 02/06/2005 6:25:56 PM PST by djf
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To: frannie; All

On the Homeland Security front...

After 9/11, President Bush authorized 2,000 new border-patrol agents per year for five years. Unfortunately, the figure now stands at 200, due to budget constraints (budget constraints that, sadly, have not applied to other agencies, such as DoEd, DoT, and PBS). Strangely, $74 million has been substituted for surveillance and aerial technology, in the hopes that this will make up for the lack of manpower on the ground. But if there was any message in the 9/11 report, it was that technological intelligence is no substitute for human intelligence.

This is not simply about Mexican illegals looking to work on a farm. Al-Qa'ida already has a foothold in countries like Venezuela, where it is suspected that the Chavez government had (has?) been protecting them with false-identity papers and passports. Former Taliban mullahs also fled there in 2000. If these cutthroats try to enter the U.S., it won't be through Nova Scotia.

The Federalist Patriot (FederalistPatriot.US)
http://FederalistPatriot.US/current2004a.asp
Feb. 4, 2005
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51 posted on 02/06/2005 7:13:25 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
I agree with your reply, I wasn't infering that we shouldn't stop the invasion, which it is.

I know this, I live in the north central part of N.C. almost on the border of Va. When we moved here in 1985 just a summer home, there were very few Hispanics here. Most of them went home to Mexico in the winter. They at that time worked on the Christmas tree farms.

They are here the year round and you see more and more of them. The don't pick vegetables nor fruit, we have none of that here.

They worked for a landscaper that built a stone wall around our drive, we didn't know that when we signed the contract. None of them spoke English, they also did much of the construction on the new house built last year beside me. They work on the golf Course, full time, we have very few white workers.

Now maybe they can't get any one else to do this work but maybe they work for less than our natives will work for.

I just don't know but it has changed here in the last 19 years.

Just thinking ,really I agree but I reason that is why we need some kind of ID that can't be duplicated, maybe eyescan , or finger print.

They can say founding fathers would not agree, but they didn't have any group that wanted to KILL all Christians and Jews. Perhaps I'm wrong. but I believe even in Iraq they had to prove who they were before they could vote,fraud was not identification it was no ballots were delivered in the Christian sections.

Again just something I think about

Frannie
52 posted on 02/06/2005 8:54:31 PM PST by frannie (I REPEAT --THE TRUTH WILL SET US ALL FREE--)
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To: DoughtyOne
D1, would you please lay out those one, or two sentences for us so we could better understand where you are coming from on this? As a former Buchannan supporter, I am a little confused as to how you feel so much empathy for the Isrealites who Pat has seemed to develop some emnity toward. He even refers to those who defend Isrealites as the "Amen Corner!"

So, if you don't mind, not only the two sentences, but your entire reasoning for supporting this thing and any justifications you may have for wanting this bill... Ok???

53 posted on 02/06/2005 9:04:48 PM PST by SierraWasp (al-Najr, 38, after casting a ballot for the first time in his life. "I get to say I'm human now.")
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To: kphockey2

I don't see, at a quick glance, the usual suspects accusing opponents of illegal immigration of racism and so on...

Thanks for the ping.


56 posted on 02/06/2005 9:46:28 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Txsleuth; Celtman; JustAnotherSavage; kphockey2; Diana in Wisconsin; Watery Tart; republicandiva
To the best of my knowledge-and I could be wrong about this-Congressman Sesenbrenner has taken a pretty firm stand against the federal government countenancing any form of illegal immigration.

Thanks for the ping, Kevin!

-good times, G.J.P.(Jr.)

57 posted on 02/06/2005 10:29:04 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: frannie

" but I believe even in Iraq they had to prove who they were before they could vote"

Yes,and we have our border patrol agents over there training Iraqi's and building forts to defend their borders.

snip--
Border Patrol lending a hand in Iraq
The Monitor ^ | February 01,2005 | Cari Hammerstrom

Posted on 02/01/2005 12:13:21 PM PST by SwinneySwitch

McALLEN — An undisclosed number of U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers have voluntarily been in Iraq since at least August teaching members of the Iraqi Department of Border Enforcement how to secure the frontierlands, a U.S. Customs and Border Protection official said Monday.

Just as American soldiers have been given the task of readying an Iraqi militia to keep the peace in what some would refer to as a day-old democracy, CBP officers have also been busy schooling Iraqi border police on how to keep terrorists and arms out of the country.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333643/posts


58 posted on 02/07/2005 8:23:39 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage; All

Sensenbrenner on Rush today (now 11:17 a.m. PST), says WH to endorse this today.


59 posted on 02/08/2005 11:18:20 AM PST by JesseJane (KERRY: I have had conversations with leaders, yes, recently.That's not your business, it's mine.)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

My rep is Waxman.....he is a traitor so there is no surprise he is not a sponsor.


60 posted on 02/08/2005 11:19:29 AM PST by Feiny (Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.)
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