Posted on 02/02/2005 7:47:16 AM PST by Lando Lincoln
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What "extension"?! Have you read the New Testament? Where is the stonning recommended there?
I didn't write that post, I was quoting it and mocking it. You want to direct your comment to Chemist Geek, who is the originator of that statement. I am with you.
Stick to chemistry and your day job...
The instruction to subjugate women and beat them if they're disobediant is in the Koran, though. Perhaps what's really at work here is something akin to the difference between Orthodox and Reform/Reconstructionist Jews.
Well, then, the true Muslims need to kick out the heretics who practice these barbaric behaviors under color of "sharia".
I could gladly accept decent Muslims if they didn't believe that they had to convert or conquer those who disagree with them.
Although, I admit, it's Deuteronomy 13:6-10, not Leviticus.
If thy brother the son of thy mother, or thy son, or daughter, or thy wife that is in thy bosom, or thy friend, whom thou lovest as thy own soul, would persuade thee secretly, saying: Let us go, and serve strange gods, which thou knowest not, nor thy fathers,
Of all the nations round about, that are near or afar off, from one end of the earth to the other,
Consent not to him, hear him not, neither let thy eye spare him to pity and conceal him,
But thou shalt presently put him to death. Let thy hand be first upon him, and afterwards the hands of all the people.
With stones shall he be stoned to death: because he would have withdrawn thee from the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage:
The Arabic empire, like the Roman empire, adopted science and mathematics far beyond their own home-grown intellectual abilities from the classical Greeks. The Arabs did fairly well with it, and even made some improvements, for a few centuries, but then fell into cultural stagnation.
Possibly. But it certainly suggests that moderate Muslims can exist and that a moderate form of Islam is feasible. After all, how many Jews carry out all of the punishments called for the the Torah these days?
What truth? What Christian or Jew has stoned anyone in the last 1,000 years? Much less a stoning sanctioned by a Christian/Jewish governmental or religious body. Are you really this obtuse?
Notice the circumscription of this commandment.
Only someone who is close to your heart, who then takes advantage of this closeness and seeks to secretly lure you away from your faith in God is subject to the death penalty.
This doesn't apply to Baptist missionaries or Jehova's Witnesses knocking on doors bearing mezuzot.
And in Jewish tradition, a religious court that actually imposed the death penalty once in eighty years was considered bloodthirsty.
Meanwhile, the Hadiths tell of Muhammed waiting until dawn to attack a city, because unless he heard the chazzan calling out the Islamic morning prayer at dawn, he'd attack. Convert or die, in other words.
It's the Haddith where most of this stuff comes from, and the interpretations of various imams.
In many ways, it's similar to Orthodox Judaism (in the journey, NOT the destination). Jewish Rabbis spent a lot of years building up a "hedge" around the law of the OT. It's in the various rabbinical teachings that you get the statutes like no flipping a light switch on the sabbath because that would be striking a fire, or taking more than 40 steps breaks the sabbath, etc.
Imams have done a similar thing by taking the Q'ran and Haddith and expanding on them to create Sharia. The end product is completely different, of course (I am NOT accusing orthodox Jews of being anything like militant Wahabbists), but the method by which the extreme forms of each faith were reached is similar.
Book, chapter and verse please. I can't find anything about this in the bible
Islam is the enemy and rightly so
He forgot the traditional blessing. Let me correct it.
(the sayings of Mohammed (piss be upon him))
Much better. Wouldn't want the mohammedans to get upset now would we?
Yes, they made the mistake of letting their clergy call all the shots.
A mistake I hope we never make, judging from some of the bile on this thread.
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