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To: Publius6961
What's the matter, can't handle the truth?

Although, I admit, it's Deuteronomy 13:6-10, not Leviticus.

If thy brother the son of thy mother, or thy son, or daughter, or thy wife that is in thy bosom, or thy friend, whom thou lovest as thy own soul, would persuade thee secretly, saying: Let us go, and serve strange gods, which thou knowest not, nor thy fathers,

Of all the nations round about, that are near or afar off, from one end of the earth to the other,

Consent not to him, hear him not, neither let thy eye spare him to pity and conceal him,

But thou shalt presently put him to death. Let thy hand be first upon him, and afterwards the hands of all the people.

With stones shall he be stoned to death: because he would have withdrawn thee from the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage:


49 posted on 02/02/2005 9:56:09 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek

What truth? What Christian or Jew has stoned anyone in the last 1,000 years? Much less a stoning sanctioned by a Christian/Jewish governmental or religious body. Are you really this obtuse?


53 posted on 02/02/2005 10:03:13 AM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal-Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: Chemist_Geek

Notice the circumscription of this commandment.

Only someone who is close to your heart, who then takes advantage of this closeness and seeks to secretly lure you away from your faith in God is subject to the death penalty.

This doesn't apply to Baptist missionaries or Jehova's Witnesses knocking on doors bearing mezuzot.

And in Jewish tradition, a religious court that actually imposed the death penalty once in eighty years was considered bloodthirsty.

Meanwhile, the Hadiths tell of Muhammed waiting until dawn to attack a city, because unless he heard the chazzan calling out the Islamic morning prayer at dawn, he'd attack. Convert or die, in other words.


54 posted on 02/02/2005 10:03:31 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Chemist_Geek; fastattacksailor; broadsword; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; ariamne; ...

**In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Coulter Wars Continued: A Muslim-Christian Dialogue, Chemist_Geek wrote:

"What's the matter, can't handle the truth?
Although, I admit, it's Deuteronomy 13:6-10, not Leviticus.

"If thy brother the son of thy mother, or thy son, or daughter, or thy wife that is in thy bosom, or thy friend, whom thou lovest as thy own soul, would persuade thee secretly, saying: Let us go, and serve strange gods, which thou knowest not, nor thy fathers,

"Of all the nations round about, that are near or afar off, from one end of the earth to the other,

"Consent not to him, hear him not, neither let thy eye spare him to pity and conceal him,

"But thou shalt presently put him to death. Let thy hand be first upon him, and afterwards the hands of all the people.

"With stones shall he be stoned to death: because he would have withdrawn thee from the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage:"




Once again you bring out the Ancient Texts with rules and laws that no Christian or Jew has adhered to in thousands of years.

And you do it strictly to give credence and moral equivalency to the Islamic laws that are still being enforced TODAY, right HERE in the good old 21st Century!

IT DOES NOT WORK.

Yes, it's in the Bible, YES it was once done, BUT NO, it is NOT DONE TODAY, except in Islamist nations governed by Sharia Law.

Why do you insist on making these ridiculous comparisons? You have been taken to task for it MANY time before, and yet you continue, all it does is enrage because of its disingenuous nature.

Extremely troll-like behavior.


70 posted on 02/02/2005 11:00:48 AM PST by Former Dodger (I thought ABORTION was murder and FUR was a Woman's right to choose.)
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To: Chemist_Geek

That's not for leaving the religion, it's for breaking the First Commandment.


134 posted on 02/02/2005 3:45:44 PM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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To: Chemist_Geek
What's the matter, can't handle the truth? Although, I admit, it's Deuteronomy 13:6-10, not Leviticus.

You're missing one big distinction. For Moses to say it makes it justifiable; for mohammad to say it does not.

137 posted on 02/02/2005 4:08:41 PM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: Chemist_Geek
Christianity NEVER has advocated stoning anyone, Chemist_Geek.

Apologize for the slander.

With regard to that point in history where the ancient Jews were told to do this...I ask you to research the CONTEXT, and you will be surprised. It was necessary to preserve a small, fledgling people against the hostile environment in which anything--incest, infanticide, even child sacrifice--was the norm.

God said clearly why the ancient Jews had to be tough: they couldn't dare associate and bring that cultural pollution into their society, they were making a holy, ethical society. They weren't even supposed to have kings, did you know that? They were supposed to be a clean nation, a nation of priests, dedicated to holiness and the worship of God.

Compare and contrast that to ANY other Earth culture: and you see clearly that Someone was influencing them for the working of great Good. The fact that it didn't quite work out, get finished, was due to the fact that the Israelites got lazy when they were almost finished, and then began intermarrying, backsliding.

If I were God, I would rise one people up to be a "model" for humanity, and I'd put them--shucks, what a coincidence!--right at the land bridge between three continents for better dissemination of my message.

141 posted on 02/02/2005 4:43:29 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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