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House Resolution 244 (Independence of "Kosova")
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Posted on 01/30/2005 8:30:52 AM PST by ma bell

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To: DTA

DTA, the Serbs & the Albanians in Kosovo are both completely convinced of the righteousness of their respective sides. Many have adopted a corollary attitude that any action, however reprehensible, is cleansed by the inherent justice of their cause. For them, moral constraints have no bearing upon their chosen course of action. And it was the ascendancy of those type of people that made the Kosovo conflict what it was.


21 posted on 01/31/2005 7:03:59 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf; DTA
Dennis, in my time in the Balkans, Middle East and Africa, I've been in no-kidding real-life Muslim societies where Islam is actually practiced, jihad is supported, Christianity is despised, and Americans are the enemy. Kosovo is not one of those places.

 All those dynamited Serb Orthodox churches and monasteries in Kosovo are mute testimony to the untruth in your statement. How many are there? 70? The foreign fighters came from Arab lands to make Jihad and they succeeded. Kosovo is now part of Dar al Islam so you should rejoice. Your objective has been achieved, Milosovich is on trial in a UN court, yet you persist in dredging up past events in the Balkans.
22 posted on 01/31/2005 7:13:50 AM PST by dennisw (Pryce-Jones: Arab culture is steeped in conspiracy theories, half truths, and nursery rhyme politics)
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To: mark502inf

Kosovo is a Muslim territory. How many of the Albanians are Christian and how many are Muslim


23 posted on 01/31/2005 7:16:08 AM PST by dennisw (Pryce-Jones: Arab culture is steeped in conspiracy theories, half truths, and nursery rhyme politics)
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To: DTA

DTA, your link at post 20 supports my point, not yours. The elected assembly in Kosovo passed a law on religion over the objections of all the religious communities in Kosovo, to include the majority Muslims. In what kind of Islamic society does that happen?


24 posted on 01/31/2005 7:41:29 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
>>>>In what kind of Islamic society does that happen?<<<

In Palestinian pseudostate for example. On paper, Palestinians are also multiconfesional, like Albanians. In reality, Christian Palestinians are silently opressed and run away while radical Islamists are getting the iron grip on all aspects of life. Betlehem has faced the same fate as Kosovo communities. Once Christian, it is over 90% Muslim.

All in the name of multifaith cooperation, of course.

25 posted on 01/31/2005 8:31:11 AM PST by DTA
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To: dennisw
dennis, those churches are attacked because they were Serbian, not Christian. That is why Albanian Christian churches are untouched. Attacks on religious structures in the Balkans aren't so much about the religions of either the target or the attacker as they are about the Balkan nationality associated with that religion.

In their war with Croatia, the Serbs destroyed over one thousand Catholic churches, chapels, monasteries, and convents. The scope & scale of the destruction of Christian churches in Croatia is much greater than what the Kosovar Albanians have done in Kosovo. Does that make the Serbs jihadists? (Follow the links here for details, to include a brief description of how each church was destroyed).

26 posted on 01/31/2005 8:31:42 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: Hoplite
intracontinental transfer shall ensue ... [to] Belgium, Lithuania, Portugal, & Switzerland... allowing them to meet new and interesting neighbors who don't as of yet have a specific reason to kill them.

Then you have to rule out Belgium. Putting mayonnaise on french fries is reason to kill.

27 posted on 01/31/2005 8:40:30 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
I think you mean "Cheese-eating-surrender-monkey fries", don't you?

Besides, I thought the whole Mayo on the fries thing was a German foible - kinda like their eating lunch for breakfast: "Cold cuts and cheese? WTF Klaus, go get me some Lucky Charms, and macht schnell!"

28 posted on 01/31/2005 9:16:53 AM PST by Hoplite
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dennis, those churches are attacked because they were Serbian, not Christian.

This must be the lamest excuse I've heard from the pro-KLA bunch. Actually, it makes my stomach turn.

Is there a special Jesus Christ Serbs worship? Jesus Christovich from Nish or...? If you destroy a Serbian church, you destroy a House of God.

If I followed your logic, I could excuse any and all crimes against Albanians with the following: "Those killed were not human beings; they were just a bunch of Albanians." Right?

29 posted on 01/31/2005 1:32:25 PM PST by Banat ("You've got two empty 'alves of coconut, and you're banging 'em together!")
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Banat, you missed the point. No one is excusing the destruction of churches. The issue was about why those particular churches were destroyed, but others were left alone. The reason is that the Serb Orthodox Churches are seen as symbols of Serbian nationalism. Obviously, Albanian Christian Churches are not and they are therefore left alone.

Now, Banat, since you seem to have an interest in this subject, why did the Serbs destroy over 1,000 Christian Churches in the war with Croatia? There's a description of the damage for each church here.

30 posted on 01/31/2005 3:33:03 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
"The reason is that the Serb Orthodox Churches are seen as symbols of Serbian nationalism."

Obviously, I am not the one missing the point here. Again, I can excuse all crimes against the Albanian population with "these people were seen as symbols of Islamic fundamentalism and they had to be killed." That's just ridiculous!

Why would anybody in their right mind consider Serbian monasteries as symbols of Serbian nationalism? Albanians are trying too hard to act innocent. They're not. Some of them honestly believe the BS they've been fed all these years.

80% of those monasteries have been there at least 500 years -- long before any single Albanian ever arrived in Kosovo-Metohia, and certainly long before any Albanian lost his/her life at the hands of a Serb.

How come the monasteries are not seen as symbols of friendship and coexistence. How many Albanians have sought refuge and protection within the walls of those monasteries? Countless numbers! Yet, that doesn't seem to mean much to those same Albanians, does it?

Why are Serbian graveyards being vandalized and corpses dug up? Are those cemeteries symbols of Serbian nationalism, too?

What has happened in Kosovo (and is still happening) is a deliberate, calculated, premeditated, long-planned attempt to erase all symbols of Serbian presence there. This ongoing anti-Christian evil cannot be justified.

I will read the link you've provided but I highly doubt the number. Serbia -- twice the size of Croatia both by size and population -- doesn't have that many churches.

31 posted on 01/31/2005 6:05:40 PM PST by Banat ("You've got two empty 'alves of coconut, and you're banging 'em together!")
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To: Banat
Obviously, I am not the one missing the point here ... I can excuse all crimes

Obviously you are. Banat, just as I already told you here, there is no excuse for attacking churches. It is wrong. Explaining why something is done is not the same as justification for that reason. Failure to adhere to moral standards in Kosovo was already discussed above.

What has happened in Kosovo (and is still happening) is a deliberate, calculated, premeditated, long-planned attempt to erase all symbols of Serbian presence there. This ongoing anti-Christian evil cannot be justified.

You're right all the way except for where you substitute Christian for Serb. As much as Serb propaganda--even under the atheist Milosevic--try to conflate Serbian and Christian, they are not the same.

If the Albanians were anti-Christian, then they would be against Christianity. Albanian Christian churches are not attacked. Albanian Christian priests and nuns and parishioners are as free as any other Albanians. There are Christian missionaries in the country. They have elected a Christian as president. It simply flies in the face of reality to say the Albanians are anti-Christian. They are however, as you started to say earlier before you quickly corrected yourself and jumped back into the well-worn Serbs=Christianity propaganda path, decidedly anti-Serb.

On the flip side, how do you reconcile Serbs as Christians with their behavior at Srebrenica? ethnic cleansing in Kosovo? the destruction of over one thousand Catholic churches in Croatia?

32 posted on 02/01/2005 4:41:59 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: ma bell; All

Does anyone have the recent op-ed piece from General Clark (dealing with Kosovo) that Rush was just talking about? I just caught the end of it and would like to see what Weasley is talking about. Thanks


33 posted on 02/01/2005 9:35:33 AM PST by cwb
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To: mark502inf
wrong, wrong, wrong

Lantos simply took a lot of 'contributions' from KLA front organizations..............Ben Works did a expose of this back in the late 90's

34 posted on 02/07/2005 2:35:59 PM PST by vooch
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