Posted on 01/30/2005 8:30:52 AM PST by ma bell
I will be home next week as we are finishing up convoy operations/ambushes training.
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Thanks,
Besides Hyde, write to Darrell Issa. He's an Orthodox Christian of Arab ancestry, so he should know what's at stake in Kosovo from his grandparents experience of dhimmitude before they emigrated to the U.S.
I just e-mailed Issa. I'm not a constituent, but he's in the same Orthodox jurisdiction as me.
All you Antiochians, wherever you live, e-mail Issa about this one. Let him know we stand with the Serbs.
Both the Clinton & Bush State Departments have opposed the resolution as the U.S. position is to reach a final status in Kosovo within the context of UN Resolution 1244 and the "standards before status" strategy. Final status talks will most probably begin this summer. Outright independence and re-incorporation into Serbia are both unlikely outcomes.
And like many others, he is too small minded to realize the situation has reversed itself.
Perhaps the sight of destroyed Orthodox churches make him smile. I know that works for some of the pro-KLA posters here.
Sorry, but Lantos's memories didn't make him recognize what was happening to the Kosovar Albanians--it left him open to their propaganda.
Sure Milosevic was fighting a dirty war, but all the news reports of 'genocide' have been debunked--some even during the Clinton bombing campaign, if one payed attention to AFP and the LA Times.
It's really quite grotesque to have a Holocaust survivor sponsoring such a measure--the third largest death camp during WW II was a Jasanovac, was run by the Croatian Ustashe and Albanian Muslim SS, and murdered mostly Serbs, not Jews. Its work is part of the reason the Serb population of Kosovo was so easily overtaken by illegal Albanian immigration. Giving the descendants of the Nazi-allied Albanians the Serbian spiritual heartland may not quite be giving Hitler a posthumous victory, but it's sure giving one to his allies-in-murder.
And Sen. Lieberman isn't! Yet Liebrman said that terrorist KLA and the U.S. stand for the same values! This has to do with human values not who is a Holocaust survivor. These two have no problems supporting Muslim terrorists in Europe, while Israeli citizens are being targeted by their Muslim borthers in the Middle East! I guess money talks. See my post above.
David, the Albanians didn't have anything to do with Jasenovac. The one SS unit manned by Albanians was the 21st Skanderbeg Division. It was not even formed until May 1944 and only 6,491 Albanians--many motivated by offers of release from prison--joined the unit. The officers and NCOs were mostly Germans. The Skanderbeg Division was used in the Kosovo, Montenego, and Macedonia areas to guard key facilities and to fight partisans. It was not a concentration camp unit, nor was it any good at fighting the partisans. Plagued by massive desertions, in September its commander reported to Army Group "E" that it was of no military value. It eventually was whittled down to a regiment and then a battalion of all Germans. By January 1945 it was taken off the books.
Nazi-allied Albanians
Albania was invaded and occupied first by Italians and then by the Germans. It had an extensive resistance by communist partisans, royalists, and nationalists. Just like the partisans & Chetniks in Yugoslavia, these guys often fought each other as much as the occupiers. The communist partisans were the largest group and were led by Enver Hoxha, Tito's buddy and the future xenophobic communist dictator of Albania.
Albania was no more a Nazi ally than was Serbia. It did have its share of collaborators, no different than Serbia did with the Zbor Party, Ljotic, Nedic and a Serbian SS unit, the Serbisches Freilligen Korps der SS.
David, two points. First, Congressman Lantos is fully knowledgeable of the ethnic cleansing campaign conducted by the Serbs in Kosovo. As a Holocaust survivor he feels a moral obligation to the "never again" concept.
Second, Albania has been honored by Israel for being the only European country in WWII to have more Jews at the end of the war than at the beginning. A book about how Muslim, Orthodox, and Catholic Albanians collaborated together to save the Jews of Albania from the Nazis is called "Rescue in Albania," It can be read on-line.
Congressmen Lantos & Gilman wrote the introduction:
It is a tragic irony that the children and grandchildren of the Albanians who helped Jews in Albania to escape during World War II now face discrimination and violence in Kosova and Macedonia. It is important to understand the background of these Albanians, and it is for this reason we urge you to take the time to read Rescue in Albania. This is a compelling story, and one that all of us can benefit from reading. At the same time, we must commit ourselves to see that the children and grandchildren of the brave heroes whose story this volume tells do not become victims of the forces of evil and repression that in every age work to suppress human freedom.
Tom Lantos, Member of Congress, (California)
Benjamin A. Gilman, Member of Congress (New York)
Kosta, I don't know what Senator Lieberman said or when he said it, but obviously the treatment of Serbs and other ethnic minorities in Kosovo since the 1999 war has not been in accordance with American values. However, just as obviously--and on a larger scale--the treatment of the Albanians by the Serbs prior to the war was a clear violation of the same human values that Americans fought their own Revolution to preserve.
Maybe what Senator Lieberman was talking about was the Albanian letter writing campaign to Congress in 1998-9 which described the Kosovar Albanian situation under the Serbs using these familiar words:
".. all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"
A specially constructed destination determinator, the Magic 8-ball O'Migration shall be constructed, with a 4 sided pyramid inside it with the countries: Belgium, Lithuania, Portugal, & Switzerland. Representatives from the Albanian, Bosnian, Croat, and Serb (it's alphebetized - if you weren't complaining about the Swiss getting screwed, pipe down already) nations shall rock-scissors-paper to determine which three shall shake the 8-ball. Once country pairings are determined, intracontinental transfer shall ensue, thus separating the Balkan warring parties, and allowing them to meet new and interesting neighbors who don't as of yet have a specific reason to kill them.
You know where to find me when Nobel Peace Prize time comes around.
From a Roma site:
"With the rise of the ethnic-nationalist movement, the Roma were increasingly caught in the crossfire between Serbs and Albanians, both sides demanding absolute loyalty. During the Balkan wars of 1912/1913, Serbian propagandists justified massacres of Muslim Albanians by referring to them as sub-human creatures who could be recognised by their "ugly Gypsy-faces". Nevertheless, Serbian Roma actively participated - also as regular soldiers - in the resistance of the Serbs against the German and Austrian occupation in World War I. When the Albanian nationalists, thanks to Mussolini and Hitler, were finally able to proclaim an "ethnically clean" Greater Albania, a systematic persecution of Serbs, Jews and "Gypsies" started in Kosovo, first conducted by the Albanian bands of "Balli Kombetar" and later by the SS-division "Skanderbeg", which Himmler himself put together using Albanian volunteers. Until 1943, Roma were forced to do slave labour, wearing yellow arm-bands. Later, many were deported to Jasenovac, Buchenwald and Mauthausen. The 81-year old Rom Sevki M., who fled to Cologne in September 2000, in the 1940s, had been deported from Orahovac to Finsterbergen in Thuringia to do forced labour."
But I do see my memory served me ill: the running of Jasenovac was entirely an Ustashe affair. The Albanian SS only helped round up Serbs, Roma, and Jews to send there, and did their own dirty work on the ground inside Kosovo.
Giving the Albanians the heart of ancient Serbia, the site of its Partiarchate and most of the Serbian Church's spiritual life would fulfill a promise Hitler made, but couldn't keep. However much the non-Nazi Albanians may have helped Jews, it is a perverse thing for a survivor of the horrors of that era to wish.
Still, I guess if the 61 Righteous Goyim of Albania were more successful at saving Jews than the 118 of Serbia and Montenegro, that's all that matters, even if an independent 'Kosova' would be a haven for the current enemies of Jews, Israel and Western civilization.
Kosovo Albanians were NAZIS during WWII and they have not changed the mindset for a notch. Kosovo is JUDENREIN today, owing to Antal Lantosz' KLA buddies.
Your invoking of The Holocaust as propaganda theme is realy sickening, having in mind that The Remberance Day was this week.
You are HOLOCAUST REVISIONIST and you have no shame!
Sen. Lieberman's and KLA values (terrorism, murder of civilians, prostitution, sex slavery, drug and weapons smuggling) are antithesis of
".. all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"
In your blind support to terrorism You insult American forefathers!
You should wash your mouth with soap. 
Lantos and Lieberman stink on this issue. It's as if the devil possesses a part of their brain making them unable to see some very simple facts. That this theft of Kosovo was and is just another bloody Jihad. Milosovich was right, as he keeps proclaiming in trial
BS Mark! You know it very well. You just want to get over the issue without having to deal with Senator Lieberman's scandalous remarks. Let me refresh your memory:
“[The] United States of America and the Kosovo Liberation Army stand for the same human values and principles . . . Fighting for the KLA is fighting for human rights and American values.” [Washington Post, March 28, 1999]
Feel the feathers in your mouth? Yeah, it's called crow.
As for your of Holocaust, this is how Senator Lieberman sees Jew-hating Albanians:
Jews and Albanians “have been through so many challenges together and have such correlated histories that I feel very connected to the Albanian people, their hopes and aspirations” [National Albanian American Council, March 30, 2003]
This must be because of the Albanian version of the Holocaust, which -- according to the NAAC's chairman Richard S. Lukaj who "cited [to Sen. Lieberman] that Albania had a 100% record of saving every Jew in the country during the Holocaust and was the only country in Europe after the Second World War with more Jews after the war than before the War." Simply amazing! In case you wanted to know, they also saved Albert Einstein (according to Lukaj).
One more little detail about Albanians: they wholeheartedly supported the Gore/Lieberman ticket. And Sen. Lieberman and his wife were co-sponsors of an Israeli fertility clinic that accept only Jewish sperm! I suppose you never heard of that either? Still hungry?
The idea that the secularized and pro-American Kosovars are jihadists is simply ridiculous. The KLA fought for the liberation of Kosovo from the Serbs. Nothing in their political statements or acts during the war or since then supports the concepts of jihad, sharia, or any type of religious motive--Islamic or otherwise. KLA soldiers included Muslim, Catholic, and Orthodox Albanians from Kosovo, Albania proper, and the diaspora. Their elected president is a Christian,the Catholic Church in Kosovo is thriving, and Christian missionaries are welcome. Their two most revered national figures are Skanderbeg and Mother Theresa, both Christian. During the war when bin Laden sent his emissary to offer weapons and money, the KLA turned him down flat--didn't want anything to do with him.
Dennis, in my time in the Balkans, Middle East and Africa, I've been in no-kidding real-life Muslim societies where Islam is actually practiced, jihad is supported, Christianity is despised, and Americans are the enemy. Kosovo is not one of those places.
People who are not on terrorist payroll think otherwise.
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