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Study shows link between homosexuality and pedophilia
http://www.theinterim.com/2002/sept/02study.html ^

Posted on 01/29/2005 4:48:38 PM PST by bikepacker67

A new study by Dr. Timothy J. Dailey and the Washington D.C.-based Family Research Council recently confirmed what police and psychiatrists have known for decades: a definitive link exists between male homosexuality and pedophilia.

The report entitled Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, shows that while homosexual men make up less than three per cent of the adult male population, they commit a disproportionate number (one third or more) of child sexual molestations. Dailey's report is being sent to parents, youth groups, school administrators, Catholic bishops, and religious organizations.

Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse presents a number of controversial findings. The first is that a significant percentage of child sexual abuse victims are boys. The second finding of Dailey's report contradicts the "inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey" that homosexuals comprise at least 10 per cent of the population. Based upon a study of three large data sets, the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. Census, "a recent study in demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 per cent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 per cent," writes Dailey.

The FRC study also demonstrates, with a wealth of anecdotal evidence, that pedophile themes can be found throughout "mainstream" gay literature, including fiction anthologies such as: The Penguin Book on International Gay Writing, The Gay Canon: What Every Gay Man Should Read, and A History of Gay Literature:The Male Tradition. Interestingly, the late gay Beat poet Allen Ginsberg was a pedophile, and wrote articles for publications associated with the North American Man-Boy Love Association. "I reread Collected Poems and Ginsberg's two subsequent collections, surprised by the pattern of reference to anal intercourse and to pederasty that emerged," writes Dailey.

According to Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, pedophiles have long existed as a subculture within the gay rights movement. Dailey quotes David Thorstad, a homosexual activist and founding member of NAMBLA, to demonstrate that by 1985, pedophilia had gained acceptance within the homosexual movement, as it was in that year that NAMBLA was admitted as a member in New York's council of Lesbian and Gay Organizations and the International Gay Association. In the words of Jim Kepner, at one time the curator of the International Gay and Lesbian Archives in Los Angeles: "A point I've been trying to make is that if we reject the boylovers in our midst today, we'd better stop waving the banner of the ancient Greeks, of Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, Horatio Alger, and Shakespeare. We'd better stop claiming them as part of our history unless we are broadening our concept of what it means to be gay."

The link between homosexuality and pedophilia is rejected by many mainstream research groups, which have even begun to view pedophilia in value-neutral terms. The American Psychiatric Association removed pedophilia from its list of sexual perversions in 1994, while in 1999 the American Psychological Association published a report, "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples," which "claimed child sexual abuse could be harmless and beneficial," according to a 1999 WorldNetDaily column by noted researcher Dr. Judith Reisman.

"None of this is news in the sense that this information (the link between pedophilia and homosexuality) was fundamentally proven a long time ago," Canada Family Action head Brian Rushfeldt told The Interim, "but I'm glad to see the FRC reiterating it, especially at a time when the Catholic church is struggling with the pedophile priest issue."

Rushfeldt stresses that pedophiles come in both homosexual and heterosexual forms, but there are differences between the two that need to be understood. "Do you treat the cocaine addict the same way you treat the alcoholic? If a priest abuses young boys, that's a homosexual act, and we have to recognize it as such if we want to help him."

Asked why the link exists in the first place, Rushfeldt, a former addiction counsellor, says part of the answer lies in the availability of sex. "Sex addicts generally need instant gratification. They have a very low threshold for delaying gratification, and it's much easier to manipulate a young boy into having sex than it is to manipulate another man." He adds that homosexual pedophilia is influenced by other factors as well.

"There's a distinct quality about male homosexuality that gay men tend to be attracted to young, good-looking guys. Another part of pedophilia's appeal is the power the pedophile feels in manipulating the boy. It's a combination of things."


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To: JNL
Homosexuality plays little or no part in a child molestors choice of victim.

Sells better that way.

61 posted on 01/29/2005 5:55:24 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: mchadwilson
I think anybody can correlate the two behaviors newbie. Both immoral. man after little boyz = homosexual.
62 posted on 01/29/2005 5:59:17 PM PST by commonguymd (My impatience is far more advanced than any known technology.)
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To: bikepacker67
This should be filed under the "WELL DUH!" file.

Seriously, I am a firm believer that a "deviant is a deviant"....

63 posted on 01/29/2005 6:00:06 PM PST by TheBattman (Islam (and liberals)- the cult of Satan)
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To: bikepacker67

I'm not sure it's genetic, but the thing with a homosexual relationship is that, like a heterosexual relationship, somebody's got to be in charge.

Normally, in a heterosexual relationship, people divide up the areas that are their responsibility. Most women like household stuff; most men like making money. There are variations in this, but that's the framework.

However, with a same sex relationship, somebody has got to pick his or her position. And most male gays will choose a situation where there is a non-dominant partner, even though they themselves are so non-dominant that they are non-blips on the heterosexual map. So what they pick is a very young male, not necessarily a child, but a youth.

The men who do this are called "ephebophiles," which is a Greek workd that means "lover of youths." That is, not children, but teenagers. And that is what most of our current problems involve. (Sometimes brought on by the suicide of the vulnerable youth in question.)


64 posted on 01/29/2005 6:00:10 PM PST by livius
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To: Eaker

See:

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Also

"There is no valid study which shows that homosexuals are more likely to abuse children than heterosexuals. In fact, the largest incidence of child sex-abuse — by far — are stepfathers, mothers' boyfriends, uncles and other males known to the family abusing little girls"

http://www.usatoday.com/news/2002-07-15-church-gay_x.htm

(Not the best I know haha but I think you get the point)

"Although no large-scale national research has been done, several small studies find homosexuals are no more likely than heterosexuals to molest kids, says San Diego psychologist Robert Geffner, editor of The Journal of Child Sexual Abuse, a professional research journal."



If you can point me to that valid study, and this is not it then maybe I'll follow. Just because something sound right does not mean it is.


65 posted on 01/29/2005 6:03:43 PM PST by JNL
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To: JNL
Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that they molest children that bird don't fly. Molestors come in all shapes and sizes and sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with it.

The article does not state that ALL homosexuals are pedophiles, it says "while homosexual men make up less than three per cent of the adult male population, they commit a disproportionate number (one third or more) of child sexual molestations".

Put another way, a much higher percentage of the homosexual community (by an order of magnitude) are pedophiles. There are two kinds of male pedophiles: the ones who are attracted to young girls, and the ones who are attracted to young boys. A male who is attracted primarily to other males (of whatever age) is a homosexual, by definition

66 posted on 01/29/2005 6:06:03 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: Grut

"Let me guess..."

My gues too. They would lend themselves more credibility if they had some data to back up the claims.


67 posted on 01/29/2005 6:09:13 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: GeorgiaConservative
Remember lesbians ARE gay. Please don't say "gay and lesbian..."

Nope...I was taught the meaning of 'Gay" by my Grandmother...And she wasn't a Queer...

Tell it like it is....

68 posted on 01/29/2005 6:12:21 PM PST by Iscool
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To: SauronOfMordor

I'll probably get shot for this but:

"Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in only 2 of the 269 cases in which an adult molester could be identified – fewer than 1% (Jenny et al., 1994)."


My point (I think) is that the article itself is flawed. I agree with a previous poster that this is not a well researched piece. There is no valid data to rely on yet there is data (albeit small) that goes the other way.


Really funny thing is I never thought I would be defending the other side but its a big tent.
So lets all talk about the superbowl


70 posted on 01/29/2005 6:12:49 PM PST by JNL
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To: moog

"Any male molestor who molests boys is a homosexual, one and the same."

Do you make any distinction between homosexuals and homosexual acts?

Men are raped in prison all the time. Are the perps are homosexuls? Where do acts committed on animals fit in?


71 posted on 01/29/2005 6:15:53 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: bikepacker67
What's truly distressing and unforgivable is that our society allows those convicted of child molestation to get out of jail so they can victimize again and again. Why doesn't society realize that the recidivism rate is 100% and lock them away for good?

I don't want child molesters helped - that's just not possible. I want society protected from them.
72 posted on 01/29/2005 6:17:21 PM PST by Mase
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To: Mase

Could not agree more. There is no cure for Child Molesters, castration, medication, or any other sort of "cure" is futile. Lock tem up bury the key somewhere deep in the groud and never let them out.

Reminds me of a story my father told me.

A friend of his let his two boys go to a public washroom, they took more time than expected, he went down and found a guy exposing himself to them.

Well, to make a long story short, the exposer was hospitalized for quite a while and my fathers friend was charged with assault.

The judge apologized to the father and sentenced him to 1 year for major bodily harm.

He always said that that one year in jail was terrific. The guards got him anything he wanted, he was treated with respect and all in all had a great time.

As for the exposer I can only hope that the pain lasted a long long time.


73 posted on 01/29/2005 6:26:07 PM PST by JNL
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To: All
I have seen at least 3 posters in this thread that have started today - One even shows Jan 30, 2005 (Tomorrow). Maybe they're one in the same? Just an observation.
74 posted on 01/29/2005 6:27:49 PM PST by drt1
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To: JNL
"Homosexuality plays little or no part in a child molestors choice of victim."

Where are you getting that bit of info? Seems to me the priests who have been brought to court recently have been guilty of molesting alter boys, not little girls and little boys. They seem to prefer their own sex from what I've observed. I'm sure there must be some priest who liked girls, but I haven't heard of a single one that didn't have a preference and just molested youngsters of either sex, whatever was available at the moment.

75 posted on 01/29/2005 6:28:37 PM PST by penowa
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To: JNL
Really funny thing is I never thought I would be defending the other side but its a big tent. So lets all talk about the superbowl
OK... I believe Freddie Mitchall is a dead man.

What say you?

76 posted on 01/29/2005 6:29:03 PM PST by bikepacker67
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To: bikepacker67

Same thang!


77 posted on 01/29/2005 6:30:21 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: drt1

I noticed the same thing - another country? Defenders against the molesters and homosexual linkages....


78 posted on 01/29/2005 6:30:47 PM PST by commonguymd (My impatience is far more advanced than any known technology.)
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To: bikepacker67

Position: WR
Height: 6-0
Weight: 195
Born: 11/28/1978

dead yep.


79 posted on 01/29/2005 6:32:58 PM PST by JNL
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To: drt1

Would love to argue that one.

Just because I disagree with you on this subject I mean you know blah blah blah


80 posted on 01/29/2005 6:39:09 PM PST by JNL
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