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Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

Panicked Evolutionists: The Stephen Meyer Controversy

The theory of evolution is a tottering house of ideological cards that is more about cherished mythology than honest intellectual endeavor. Evolutionists treat their cherished theory like a fragile object of veneration and worship--and so it is. Panic is a sure sign of intellectual insecurity, and evolutionists have every reason to be insecure, for their theory is falling apart.

The latest evidence of this panic comes in a controversy that followed a highly specialized article published in an even more specialized scientific journal. Stephen C. Meyer, Director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, wrote an article accepted for publication in Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. The article, entitled "The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories," was published after three independent judges deemed it worthy and ready for publication. The use of such judges is standard operating procedure among "peer-reviewed" academic journals, and is considered the gold standard for academic publication.

The readership for such a journal is incredibly small, and the Biological Society of Washington does not commonly come to the attention of the nation's journalists and the general public. Nevertheless, soon after Dr. Meyer's article appeared, the self-appointed protectors of Darwinism went into full apoplexy. Internet websites and scientific newsletters came alive with outrage and embarrassment, for Dr. Meyer's article suggested that evolution just might not be the best explanation for the development of life forms. The ensuing controversy was greater than might be expected if Dr. Meyer had argued that the world is flat or that hot is cold.

Eugenie C. Scott, Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, told The Scientist that Dr. Meyer's article came to her attention when members of the Biological Society of Washington contacted her office. "Many members of the society were stunned about the article," she told The Scientist, and she described the article as "recycled material quite common in the intelligent design community." Dr. Scott, a well known and ardent defender of evolutionary theory, called Dr. Meyer's article "substandard science" and argued that the article should never have been published in any scientific journal.

Within days, the Biological Society of Washington, intimidated by the response of the evolutionary defenders, released a statement apologizing for the publication of the article. According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, the society's governing council claimed that the article "was published without the prior knowledge of the council." The statement went on to declare: "We have met and determined that all of us would have deemed this paper inappropriate for the pages of the Proceedings." The society's president, Roy W. McDiarmid, a scientist at the U.S. Geological Survey, blamed the article's publication on the journal's previous editor, Richard Sternberg, who now serves as a fellow at the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the National Institute of Health. "My conclusion on this," McDiarmid said, "was that it was a really bad judgment call on the editor's part."

What is it about Dr. Stephen Meyer's paper that has caused such an uproar? Meyer, who holds a Ph.D. from Cambridge University, argued in his paper that the contemporary form of evolutionary theory now dominant in the academy, known as "Neo-Darwinism," fails to account for the development of higher life forms and the complexity of living organisms. Pointing to what evolutionists identify as the "Cambrian explosion," Meyer argued that "the geologically sudden appearance of many new animal body plans" cannot be accounted for by Darwinian theory, "neo" or otherwise.

Accepting the scientific claim that the Cambrian explosion took place "about 530 million years ago," Meyer went on to explain that the "remarkable jump in the specified complexity or 'complex specified information' [CSI] of the biological world" cannot be explained by evolutionary theory.

The heart of Dr. Meyer's argument is found in this scientifically-loaded passage: "Neo-Darwinism seeks to explain the origin of new information, form, and structure as a result of selection acting on randomly arising variation at a very low level within the biological hierarchy, mainly, within the genetic text. Yet the major morphological innovations depend on a specificity of arrangement at a much higher level of the organizational hierarchy, a level that DNA alone does not determine. Yet if DNA is not wholly responsible for body plan morphogenesis, then DNA sequences can mutate indefinitely, without regard to realistic probabilistic limits, and still not produce a new body plan. Thus, the mechanism of natural selection acting on random mutations in DNA cannot in principle generate novel body plans, including those that first arose in the Cambrian explosion."

In simpler terms, the mechanism of natural selection, central to evolutionary theory, cannot possibly account for the development of so many varied and complex life forms simply by mutations in DNA. Rather, some conscious design--thus requiring a Designer--is necessary to explain the emergence of these life forms.

In the remainder of his paper, Meyer attacks the intellectual inadequacies of evolutionary theory and argues for what is now known as the "design Hypothesis." As he argued, "Conscious and rational agents have, as a part of their powers of purposive intelligence, the capacity to design information-rich parts and to organize those parts into functional information-rich systems and hierarchies." As he went on to assert, "We know of no other causal entity or process that has this capacity." In other words, the development of the multitude of higher life forms found on the planet can be explained only by the guidance of a rational agent--a Designer--whose plan is evident in the design.

Meyer's article was enough to cause hysteria in the evolutionists' camp. Knowing that their theory lacks intellectual credibility, the evolutionists respond by raising the volume, offering the equivalent of scientific shrieks and screams whenever their cherished theory is criticized--much less in one of their own cherished journals. As Dr. John West, Associate Director of the Discovery Institute explained, "Instead of addressing the paper's argument or inviting counterarguments or rebuttal, the society has resorted to affirming what amounts to a doctrinal statement in an effort to stifle scientific debate. They're trying to stop scientific discussion before it even starts."

When the Biological Society of Washington issued its embarrassing apology for publishing the paper, the organization pledged that arguments for Intelligent Design "will not be addressed in future issues of the Proceedings," regardless of whether the paper passes peer review.

From the perspective of panicked evolutionists, the Intelligent Design movement represents a formidable adversary and a constant irritant. The defenders of Intelligent Design are undermining evolutionary theory at multiple levels, and they refuse to go away. The panicked evolutionists respond with name-calling, labeling Intelligent Design proponents as "creationists," thereby hoping to prevent any scientific debate before it starts.

Intelligent Design is not tantamount to the biblical doctrine of creation. Theologically, Intelligent Design falls far short of requiring any affirmation of the doctrine of creation as revealed in the Bible. Nevertheless, it is a useful and important intellectual tool, and a scientific movement with great promise. The real significance of Intelligent Design theory and its related movement is the success with which it undermines the materialistic and naturalistic worldview central to the theory of evolution.

For the Christian believer, the Bible presents the compelling and authoritative case for God's creation of the cosmos. Specifically, the Bible provides us with the ultimate truth concerning human origins and the special creation of human beings as the creatures made in God's own image. Thus, though we believe in more than Intelligent Design, we certainly do not believe in less. We should celebrate the confusion and consternation now so evident among the evolutionists. Dr. Stephen Meyer's article--and the controversy it has spawned--has caught evolutionary scientists with their intellectual pants down.

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R. Albert Mohler, Jr


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To: PatrickHenry; Right Wing Professor
Don't take it personally if he sometimes seems a bit gruff. He really puts up with a lot from some truly nasty posters. All of the academic scientists do when they post information for our benefit. This is deplorable, but it seems to be something we're stuck with in the science threads. Someone of his academic standing has a great deal to offer, and we're fortunate that he spends time with us.

I'm sure your right about this, Patrick. And I do apologize to the Professor.

However, in my own defense, I must say this. While I haven't the slightest doubt that RWP is a first-rate scientist and I am not, he could at least have given me the credit for knowing that Newton has a second law of motion, as well as a second law of thermodynamics. From the context in which I was writing, it should have been crystal clear to him that I was speaking of the latter. The word "entropy" came up, and that should have been the tip-off.

In short, RWP's comments seemed like a gratuitous swipe at me. Forgive me for noticing, but this stratagem is often used around here, not to advance reasoned, civil discourse, but to to shut down the debate altogether. I have very little patience for that sort of thing.

Thanks for your very kind and kindly-meant intercession here, Patrick.

1,721 posted on 02/04/2005 8:02:31 AM PST by betty boop
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To: Alamo-Girl
Okay, I misunderstood your post. I assumed you were prepared to put forth an argument as to how atheism is religion. Instead, it appears to me, you offer a challenge for someone to disprove the foundations upon which you base your religious convictions.

That being said, I will return to your nine points, because I do not have time to examine them in depth now, but I certainly think it is possible to say "That's just the way it is" or "we don't really know" and not pass into the realm of religion (unless your definition of religion is so broad as to, by definition, include atheism. In such a case all you are doing is proving what you set out to define, by referencing your definition.)

In other words, it appears to me that you work from the assumption that absent disproof of these points, no non-religious belief system can exist. You have thus put the rabbit in the hat, by making the default value "religion." In doing so, you make non-religious uncertainty, insufficient data, or even an arbitrary natural state to be evidence of religion or religious belief.

I would first state that I think your main thesis is flawed, because one need not be strictly rational to be an atheist. Thus, requiring "a scientific or mathematically plausible explanation" conflates the two.

Yours is an interesting post, and I will return to it when I have time.

1,722 posted on 02/04/2005 8:07:04 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: WildHorseCrash

Effectively, pratically impossible. 2**50 is a very very very very large number.


1,723 posted on 02/04/2005 8:12:56 AM PST by bvw
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To: betty boop
While I haven't the slightest doubt that RWP is a first-rate scientist and I am not, he could at least have given me the credit for knowing that Newton has a second law of motion, as well as a second law of thermodynamics. From the context in which I was writing, it should have been crystal clear to him that I was speaking of the latter. The word "entropy" came up, and that should have been the tip-off.

To be honest, "entropy" never came up in your post and I too, was lost when you talked about Boltzmann "reinterpreting" Newton's second law (remember my post?)

1,724 posted on 02/04/2005 8:17:48 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: bvw
Effectively, pratically impossible. 2**50 is a very very very very large number.

Any sequence has the same probability. Remember, you agreed to this! Therefore any sequence is practically impossible, according to you ...

1,725 posted on 02/04/2005 8:20:18 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Alamo-Girl

There is a difference between a belief and a religion.


1,726 posted on 02/04/2005 8:22:50 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Don't the two of you feel some duty to acquire at least a working knowledge of that on which you expound? I mean, if I claimed Plato was an existentialist, I'd be justly derided.

Do they have to take the class from you personally? Or could they get it from David Chandler or Rudy Marcus ?

Cheers, you Presidential Young Investigator award winner, you! :-)

1,727 posted on 02/04/2005 8:24:37 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: WildHorseCrash
Thank you so much for your reply! I look forward to your further replies!!!

Indeed, the question of "what is a 'religion'?" is pivotal to my challenges. That is why I included the link, to explain why atheism is considered a religion, especially wrt politics and 1st amendment rights.

If a person is atheist or even simply agnostic without considering and/or answering any of the challenges, that is fine. But such a reaction is a belief and thus "materialism" and in particular "scientific materialism" from such a one is on par with similarly biased theological arguments about origins and life. IOW, in that case the notion that a person is atheist by reason cannot apply - scientific objectivity is out the window.

Also, "doubt" does not equal atheism. Doubting Thomas was an Apostle, too.

1,728 posted on 02/04/2005 8:25:12 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: WildHorseCrash
Some simple questions.
  1. Which is more likely to have caused us to be here now as we observe ourselves and the universe around us? (A) G-d (B) God-free Random Processes (C) Don't know (D) Can't be determined.

  2. Which is more likely to have caused us to be here now as we observe ourselves and the universe around us? (A) Creation by G-d in Six Days (B) Initial Creation of some archtypes (such as space-time, physics, etc and the ideations of plant, planet, star, sun, insect, animal and man) and constant tuning by G-d thereafter (C) A God-free universe and physics just popped up last nano-second in this condition (D) God-free evolution from some very primitive initial condition

1,729 posted on 02/04/2005 8:28:05 AM PST by bvw
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To: WildTurkey
Thank you for your reply! Please see my above post 1728 to WhiteHorseTrash.
1,730 posted on 02/04/2005 8:28:42 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
WhiteHorseTrash.

Hee hee.

1,731 posted on 02/04/2005 8:30:31 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Points 1-9 WILL be answered in time. Some very good clues to some of them are already discovered.

Yours is a false argument.


1,732 posted on 02/04/2005 8:30:45 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: bvw
Effectively, pratically impossible. 2**50 is a very very very very large number.

Yes, but "effectively, pratically impossible" not impossible. Every time you flip a coin 50 times, the odds of the particular resulting sequence resulting is the same as any other; one chance in 2**50, regardless of what that sequence is. So, you "beat the odds" so to speak, every time you do it.

1,733 posted on 02/04/2005 8:32:50 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: PatrickHenry; WildHorseCrash
LOLOLOL! Sorry about that! I guess it's time for another cup of coffee...
1,734 posted on 02/04/2005 8:33:11 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Seems your points 1-9 provide an insight on why it is often said that if there was not a god, man would have invented him ...


1,735 posted on 02/04/2005 8:33:29 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
Dr Stochastic has already trod that line of reasoning a considerable bit further down the intellecual trail ... I called it Zeno's paradox redux.

Archimedes -- pretty sure it was him, although I do get him confused with Aristotle -- says to measure a number to the degree needed for use. To the degree needed for use, the occurrance of a pre-specified sequence of 2**50 is impossible.

Obviously you skipped out of the lab assignment or you would (1) not be back yet, or (2) run the test on some massively powerful supercomputer and dimmed all of our lights to power it, or (3) been impossibly lucky. Of course, (3) is impossible.

1,736 posted on 02/04/2005 8:36:58 AM PST by bvw
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To: WildTurkey; WildHorseCrash; PatrickHenry
Thank you for your reply!

Points 1-9 WILL be answered in time.

An excellent example of the point I was making. This is a statement of faith - "WILL be answered".

That puts your interpretation of origins and life on par with the religionists - no better and no worse - because both sides come to the table with ideological bias.

At bottom, a religionist can declare that he believes "all that there is" was created by God last Thursday. Because it is a belief, it cannot be argued with science. Conversely, an argument that "all that exists" consists only in nature and "WILL be" someday explained is likewise a belief which cannot be argued with science.

Science is objective (or ought to be) and thus does not have an ideological bone to pick.

1,737 posted on 02/04/2005 8:39:09 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: bvw

You, yourself, agreed that any sequence has the same probability of occurrence thus "all heads" is no more improbable than any other sequence including the one that I tossed.

Are you claiming it is impossible to toss any sequence?


1,738 posted on 02/04/2005 8:39:25 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Alamo-Girl
That puts your interpretation of origins and life on par with the religionists - no better and no worse - because both sides come to the table with ideological bias.

What interpretations of origins and life?


1,739 posted on 02/04/2005 8:43:57 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
Thank you for your reply!

What interpretations of origins and life?

Your interpretation of origins and life was this:

Points 1-9 WILL be answered in time.


1,740 posted on 02/04/2005 8:46:31 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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