"Nuclear Warfare is the Solution for Destroying America"

JRN ^ | 26 December 2002 | Abu Shihab El-Kandahari

[timydnuc]

These people can't COUNT. For every on nuclear war head that they develop we already have 4,000. They don't have a delivery system, we do...can you say ICBM. They don't have the raw materials to make many war heads, we do, and we can make more, quickly. The only target we need to hit, and we will, is Tehran, they need to every military base in this country and around the world and Washington DC.

Finally, they have no idea what they would start, we do. We've been through all scenarios, including theirs, and we have a plan for every one, they don't even know what a mushroom cloud looks like. They are practicing anal phonics. Think about that.

[Beckwith]

I would like the US Government to announce, in advance, what the policy of the US is should islamic fascists denonate a nuclear device on US soil.

[JoeSixPack1]

http://www.skunksoup.com/images/funpics/camelspider1.jpg

Giant Fallujan spiders.

[Paul_Denton]

Today, the United States uses the most powerful and advanced weapons of destruction against the peaceful citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Hmm last i recall al queda and several insurgents are killing those Iraqs.

[B-Chan]

Come on, bullseye. I know it's fun to be all hard on the internet, but wanting to kill two hundred million people is just not cool. I want to see Muslims brought back into the Christian fold - I don't want them (or anybody else) to die.

War is one thing, and killing the Bad Guys in a war, while regrettable, is necessary if the Good Guys are to prevail. However, we should only kill the minimum number of Bad Guys necessary to win the war - and then only those who are actual combatants. Those are the rules we have to play by if we're going to remain Good Guys. (In a total war like World War II, where the entire enemy population is combatant in some form, those rules are of course different.) In the case of Islam, we're fighting a cultural war - and therefore our goal should be to destroy the Muslim fundamentalist culture, not Muslims people. We do this not by genocide but by killing off the warlords, strongmen, and religious leaders who instigate the fundamentalist culture among Muslims (or use it for their own advantage.) If we can smash their idols, we can break their fighting spirit - and once we do that we win the war.

In 1945 we had to nuke Japan in order to finally break the fighting spirit of its blood-and-soil nationalist cult; and, God forbid, it may come down to nuking Mecca in the end to win this war. I hope not, though, and so should you, because if we do a lot of innocent people are going to die along with the Bad Guys. That's unavoidable in any war, of course, but it's certainly not something to be celebrated.

[Smartass]

long, but very important read

To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war, and even fewer who realize what losing really means.

First, let's examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start? Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us:

Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
Dar es Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
New York World Trade Center 2001;
Pentagon 2001.
(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide).

2. Why were we attacked? Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.

3. Who were the attackers? In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%

5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm).

Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world -- German, Christian or any others. Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, they but kill all in the way -- their own people, or the Spanish, French or anyone else. The point here is that, just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels". I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?

6. So, who are we at war with? There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoiding verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

So, with that background, now to the two major questions: 2. What does losing really mean?
If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.

We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to the second question -- What does losing mean?

It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business, like post-Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get. What losing really means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks would not subside, but rather would steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly for terrorists to attack us until we were neutered and submissive to them.

We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see we are impotent and cannot help them.

They would pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It would be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw their troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast!

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us if they were threatened by the Muslims? If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else? The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We’d better know it too, and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to win. So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding". That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort. If we are united there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation.

-- President Bush selects Norman Minetta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Minetta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently!

And don't worry that it is a “slippery slope”. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII and immediately restored them after the victory, and in fact added many more since then. Do I blame President Bush, or President Clinton before him? No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.

-- Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal, it is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause.

-- Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war by a small group of our military police. These are the types of prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein. And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type enemy fighters who recently were burning Americans and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq. And still more recently, the same type enemy that was, and is, providing videos to all news sources internationally of the beheading of American prisoners they held. Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them. Can this be for real? The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, then nothing can. To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again, I say this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in, and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years. Remember, the Muslim terrorists’ stated goal is to kill all infidels! That translates into all non-Muslims -- not just in the United States, but throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant'. That charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful and smart that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back we can defeat anything bad in the world! We can't! If we don't recognize this our nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the World will survive if we are defeated. And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books with the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders would allow any history books to be written or read.

If we don't win this war, right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach, little by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece. And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power. They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct about the "peaceful Muslims"?

I close on a hopeful note by repeating what I said above. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope that now, after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in and will unite to save our country.

It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.

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[devolve]

grow up

[Turtleman]

allah huh? may Pork be upon him

[tet68]

Today, the United States uses the most powerful and advanced weapons of destruction against the peaceful citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan, and it proudly supports the war that Russia is waging against Chechnya, not out of affection for Russia, but rather from its hatred of Moslems.


Hit us again, and you will find out what hatred of Moslems
can really be, we haven't hated you yet, for us it's been like a mean dog has snapped at us, try it again and
WE WILL PUT YOU DOWN.

[tet68]

I'm leaning toward DC being the next target of choice by the pious terrorists.

The important thing to remember is that the terrorists
targeted the WTC TWICE, they failed the first time.

So too they targeted the WhiteHouse on 9-11 but failed
the first time...

[tet68]

it may come down to nuking Mecca in the end to win this war. I hope not, though, and so should you, because if we do a lot of innocent people are going to die along with the Bad Guys.

I guess it all depends on who you want to survive,
their innocent people or ours.

Keep in mind that they don't consider our people "innocent".

[NCCarrs]

very true, plus the OBL and AQ messages before elections => no matter who wins, you're not safe.

i'm having hard time decyphering their "go ahead" to use Nukes against us and the recent "stories" about Islamists seeking nuclear material abroad. we've seen their tenacity and willingness to give all for the cause -- what I can't figure is whether they've only now moving forward to procure materials for next strike, or are these recent stories just "noise" to keep our security resources running wild?

what makes it all hit home for me is that both Ashcroft and Cheney have said on more than one occassion that Nuclear Attack is what concerns them the most => believe these statements are more than just idle warnings, as neither man, in MHO, appears to be prone to playing "chicken little;" they strike me as matter-of-fact types who make decisions and take action give facts at hand, especially Cheney.

ultimately, what will be will be, but I'm keepin' eyes open and eyes to the ground => if we're going to get lucky, it'll be because someone notices something that isn't right.

[B-Chan]

You're quite a debater, Devolve. A master, in fact.

May God bless you.

[AdmSmith]

If this is a correct translation of the article, then the original article is a fake done by someone with only rudimentary knowledge in Islamic writing.

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

In 1945 we had to nuke Japan in order to finally break the fighting spirit of its blood-and-soil nationalist cult; and, God forbid, it may come down to nuking Mecca in the end to win this war.

One, the muslims could care LESS about Mecca. They use their own children as human bombs.

Two, in WW2, we bombed Japan (the country) to end WW2. In this war, there is no central goverment, just a bunch of countries run by dictators. Not the same thing and it WONT be that easy as bombing a few cities.

[Squantos]

Here's some good talking points I found at the web link below.....

The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don't portray Muhammad as a great and godly man. They confirm that he was a thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide. He was a pirate, not a prophet. According to the Hadith and the Qur'an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity..........

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

Stay safe !

[American in Israel]

"What is best in life?" To crush the jihadists, to drive their collaborators before you, and to hear the lamentations of their media! Allahu fubar!

ROTFL, the Conan treatment

[Snapple]

How can you tell? Maybe you should explain how you can tell.

I just said some other document, supposedly Russian, was a fake. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1330798/posts

We seem to be getting fake documents and posting them.

Sounds like CBS is not the only one!

[bill1952]

I want to see Muslims brought back into the Christian fold - I don't want them (or anybody else) to die

The Muslims never were in the fold, and hence, cannot be brought back in.

And many do want you to die. That is part of their religion.

However, we should only kill the minimum number of Bad Guys necessary to win the war

With that reasoning we would never have won anything.
This sounds like the failed philosophy that was in place in Vietnam.

In 1945 we had to nuke Japan in order to finally break the fighting spirit of its blood-and-soil nationalist cult; and, God forbid, it may come down to nuking Mecca in the end to win this war.

Again, not entirely correct.
We did not HAVE to nuke Japan. - It was already beaten to it's knees and well on the way out.

We did it to make a statement, and casualties be damned.

After all, we could have dropped the bomb a few miles offshore after alerting them to watch, and there was a large faction here in favor of doing exactly that.

Nuking Mecca alone will do nothing except enrage the rest of the Muslim world forever.

Realistically, we would have to inflict massive casualties in many areas in order to make those societies end the extremist, but common behavior, within their own cultures, much as the Germans did by outlawing Nazism.
-After suffering massive casualties in the civilian population.