Georgia Flag Vote update

Southern Heritage PAC ^ | Jan 25 | SHPAC

[DixieOklahoma]

Support Georgia's right to have a REAL vote on their state flag... The only vote issued did not include the flag that sparked all the controversay in the first place!.

In addition, only 6% of registered voters showed up at the polls, BECAUSE the real Georgia state flag wasn't included in the referendum!!

There is currently a bill that has just been filed with the Georgia State House to allow the real flag to be included in a statewide vote, as well as the current flag.

No matter your feeling on the flag personally... There SHOULD BE a vote on this state flag. After all it is the people of the state of georgia that the flag represents! Right is right, and the people should have a vote on their stolen state flag.

RINO governor (the liar) Perdue, who will be defeated in his re election attempt in 2006, has vowed that this bill will be killed in comittee.

Lets see that that doesn't happen:

Representative	District	Home Town	Position	Capitol Phone
Scott Austin	153	Tifton	Chairman	404-656-5132
Jennings Paul	82	Atlanta	Vice-Chairman	404-656-0126
Geisinger Harry	48	Roswell	Secretary	404-656-0254
Brooks Tyrone	63	Atlanta	Member	404-656-6372
Burmeister Sue	119	Augusta	Member	404-656-5024
Mosby Howard	90	Atlanta	Member	404-656-0287
Oliver Mary Margaret	83	Decatur	Member	404-656-0265
O'Neal Larry	146	Warner Robbins	Member	404-656-5103
Powell Alan	29	Hartwell	Member	404-656-0202
Scheid Chuck	22	Woodstock	Member	404-657-8442
Smith Lynn	70	Newnan	Member	404-656-7149

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Please call your Representative, especially if they are on the Governmental Affairs Committee and politely, just tell them that you want a FAIR Vote. You want them to support the FAIR Vote bill, HB15. If your Representative is on this committee also tell them that you would like for them to report HB15 out with a recommendation to pass in a timely manner.

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[Red Phillips]

Well, FreeRepublic is not exactly a radical forum. It is a forum largely of "mainstream conservatives" and Republicans. I am not surprised by your numbers at all. If they were a little more inclined to fight the powers that be instead of acting like sheep, then they wouldn't be on FreeRepublic now would they. (I consider myself a missionary of real conservatism here. My fellow real conservatives in other venues, chastise me frequently for bothering to waste my time with you guys. I disagree. No one is beyond redemption.)

So you have established that wimpy conservative mainstreamers favor the current flag. That is what I have been saying. That the gumption to fight for the '56 flag despite naysayers like yourself is indicative of more deeply help conservative convictions.

Thanks for making my point.

No, I do not feel silly. I feel sad and more convinced than ever that I have a lot of work to do.

[groanup]

It was a stab for States Rights. If you are OK with the Battle Flag, why is the '56 flag shameful? I'm certainly not ashamed of it. I'm ashamed the Governor and Legislature caved. I also ashamed that my fellow Georgians and Southerners have bought the big lie.

I'll agree with the states rights angle. The 1956 flag was too much of a racist, stick it in your face thing to be legitimate. What we should do is radically change the flag but leave the stars and bars on it. Of course the PC crowd will have none of it.

[Politicalmom]

Uh...no.

I never said I was in favor of the 1956 flag.

I am in favor of a VOTE on all choices.

[eddie willers]

I never said I was in favor of the 1956 flag.

OK...we'll call it 13 1/2 to 1/2.

[Amelia]

Do you really think you are going to insult people into agreeing with you?

Have you ever wondered about the source of your obsession with the Confederate Battle Flag?

I don't think it is actually your Confederate/Southern heritage, or you'd really appreciate the "new" flag - it is based on the actual, real, official flag of the Confederate States of America.

The 1956 flag was created as a spiteful, "We'll show THEM!" symbol, and it still has that meaning for those who are trying to get it restored.

Most of us are not spiteful or hateful, and we don't have time for spite and hate in others.

We know that the current flag honors our heritage without hurting the feelings of those who've been harmed by those who "hijacked" the CBF to use as a racist symbol. We don't want to hurt their feelings either. We wouldn't mind a little "in your face" to the politically correct crowd, but the current flag does that, too.

It's a win-win, except for a few of you (mostly non-Georgia residents) who aren't happy unless you are stirring up spite and hate.

[Jackknife]

I know of at least three more FReepers that didn't reply to this thread, that feel the same as the other thirteen of us that did reply. I think that even if the flagnuts got the vote that they want, they would lose, and then still whine about it. Just my opinion, I welcome yours.

[eddie willers]

I know of at least three more FReepers that didn't reply to this thread, that feel the same as the other thirteen of us that did reply

I sent a freepmail to Amelia yesterday that we ask John Robinson to let the members currently on the Georgia list choose which flag they wish to fly on their profile page.

If the number reaches 50%+1, then the flag is permanently changed to the one that is ACTUALLY flying over the State Capitol.

What say you?....Should we bug John?

[higgmeister]

An I agree; bump!

[4CJ]

Make that 2 for the '56 flag.

[4CJ]

I think the people of the sovereign state of Georgia want to - and will given the chance - vote for the '56 flag. I just don't understand why so many are so adamant about letting the people decide for themselves. And I certainly can't speak for the rest of our beautiful state, but judging by the flags flown and yard signs demanding a vote, South Georgia wants the '56 flag restored.

The current (for now) state flag is beautiful, but one the PC idiots understand that it too is a 'Confederate' flag, then it will be under attack as well. I guess they want one that's simply WHITE - as a sign of surrender, but some would see that as a sign of racism, so maybe they'll just opt for pink.

[Juana la Loca]

Count me in. I would like to see the Georgia flag corrected for the profile page.

[Juana la Loca]

Count me in. I would like to see the Georgia flag corrected for the profile page.

[Sprite518]

Amen to that....

[Sprite518]

"judging by the flags flown and yard signs demanding a vote, South Georgia wants the '56 flag restored."

Yeah and I am sure it has all to do with heritage and not hate. LMAO!

[4CJ]

Yeah and I am sure it has all to do with heritage and not hate. LMAO!

I can't speak for anyone else, but I hate being lied to. I hate being told that my ancestors were dishonorable. I hate being told by liberals that limited government is not worth fighting for. I hate being told that MY opinion isn't worth a tinker's d**n, only that their's is. I hate condescending politicians that say one thing to get elected, and wonder why the people of the state get irate when they fail to keep those same promises. I hate those shallow morons that seek to prevent me from honouring my ancestors and their actions, while demanding that I honour theirs. I hate those that attempt to remove all religion from government, schools, public buildings. I hate those that advocate socialism and want me and mine to fund everything for them. And yes, I hate it when so called conservatives belittle others for having the audacity to have a spine to stand up to liberals. I hate being told that pornography is ok, that our society must allow abortions by the millions, yet I can't have a vote on a small, beautiful piece of cloth.

[Amelia]

I hate being told by liberals that limited government is not worth fighting for....I hate those shallow morons that seek to prevent me from honouring my ancestors and their actions, while demanding that I honour theirs.

In the spirit of limited government, I think our state has spent enough time & money changing flags. I don't think we need to spend more money holding more non-binding referendums and possibly buying even more new flags, not to mention the time involved.

The current flag honors our ancestors, so that argument is moot.

As far as I'm concerned, the "new" flag honors our ancestors even better than the battle flag did, and the PC crowd apparently either hasn't figured it out, or they weren't lying when they said their problem with the battle flag was that it had been used in a racist manner - which it has.

The new flag honors our ancestors without the negative connotations.

I think the problem is one of perceptions. You see it as something that's been taken from you, or forced down your throat. I see that the politically correct forces have been outmanuevered, and we still have what we wanted to start with.

[x]

X, there is almost no debate that an independent South would be freer.

That is naive. The Southern states were less free in 1850, in 1900, in 1950. Who is to say that in 2050, you or your children might not regret leaving?

What I'm getting at is that group freedom to live under whatever laws the group can make and individual liberty aren't always and automatically the same thing.

Freedom, despite the rhetoric of the current administration, is not the natural state. It is the state that requires the most effort to sustain. One weapon, one extremely important weapon, in that fight is the ability to unilaterally leave a political union. The denial of that right is the true invitation to tyranny.

The problem is that parts of the world with the longest or strongest traditions of secession or armed resistance aren't always the freest, let alone the safest or happiest. A country that has a revolution every generation or that is always threatened or riven by secession would look more like a less developed country of Latin America, Africa, or the Middle East, than a modern western nation.

Why isn't the Flag less "offensive" today since we are farther from the event?

One reason is its use by campaigners against civil rights, both in the past and the present. Another is the revival of a modern secessionist "the South was right" movement. To be sure a third reason is the fact that civil rights organizations are scrambling for a new issue to mobilize donors and members, but you can't try to open old wounds, as today's confederates do and claim that others should treat them as closed.

Answer is PC attempts to stamp out all forms of descent from the reigning orthodoxy. The South has always represented the biggest obstacle (region wise) to their grand design.

Maybe, but plenty of groups that wants to do things that outrage international opinion claim that they are making the last stand against big brother. The Serbs did it, Smith's Rhodesia did it, Mugabe's Zimbabwe does it. I don't want to argue who was right or wrong in these conflicts. I just want to suggest that this sort of rhetoric is something that ought to be examined more closely. Not everybody who claims to be against modern "orthodoxy" is wrong, but neither are they all right, and the "line in the sand" rhetoric obscures the questions that people ought to ask about such movements and militants.

The fighting Rebel spirit that animated secession, has frustrated all their efforts at Reconstruction. (Unfortunately immigration both foreign and Yankee [Wait, that is the same thing.] and that great homogenizer, the media, is succeeding where other efforts have failed. It is doing what Sherman never could.) I will go to my grave fighting that.

What about seeing the positive side of Reconstruction? I can understand that's probably anathema or heresy to you. But to look at things objectively, were those who worked in Reconstruction worse than antebellum slaveowners? Were they more contemptable or further from what we believe today than the Klansmen and others who fought against them. Justice is a two-way street. If you want some recognition for the virtues of the Confederates and withhold it from their opponents, you won't get what you're asking for.

And if you still malign the biracial governments of Reconstruction days and celebrate the return to power of White elites, it also goes a long way to understanding why people don't trust you. You can't say that you're still going to fight the old fights, and not expect people to take you at your word.

[Jackknife]

In the spirit of limited government, I think our state has spent enough time & money changing flags. I don't think we need to spend more money holding more non-binding referendums and possibly buying even more new flags, not to mention the time involved.

The current flag honors our ancestors, so that argument is moot.

As far as I'm concerned, the "new" flag honors our ancestors even better than the battle flag did, and the PC crowd apparently either hasn't figured it out, or they weren't lying when they said their problem with the battle flag was that it had been used in a racist manner - which it has.

The new flag honors our ancestors without the negative connotations.

I think the problem is one of perceptions. You see it as something that's been taken from you, or forced down your throat. I see that the politically correct forces have been outmanuevered, and we still have what we wanted to start with.

Well put. I have no problem with the St. Andrews cross, but I also agree that the current flag honors the anscestors. The money and time spent on this issue would be better used on IMPORTANT issues. Every time I see one of those 'Sonny Lied' signs on 2-85, I shake my head and feel a little embarrassed. No wonder others believe that anyone who is a Southerner supports this crap. I, for one, do not.

[4CJ]

In the spirit of limited government, I think our state has spent enough time & money changing flags. I don't think we need to spend more money holding more non-binding referendums and possibly buying even more new flags, not to mention the time involved.

Barnes et al should have allowed the people to vote to begin with - and saved all the monies involved with changing it to begin with. He wasn't the first to attempt to change it, he knew how the people felt.

The current flag honors our ancestors, so that argument is moot.

Mine died under the St. Andrews cross. The north wanted war and they got it. The battle-flag symbolized the lengths to which tyranny will be resisted.

As far as I'm concerned, the "new" flag honors our ancestors even better than the battle flag did, and the PC crowd apparently either hasn't figured it out, or they weren't lying when they said their problem with the battle flag was that it had been used in a racist manner - which it has.

The cross has been used in a racist manner, and I'm NOT going to abandon that either. The US flag has been flown by skinheads/neo-nazis and their ilk, besides flying over yankee slave ships for decades - are you going to request to abandon it as well?

The new flag honors our ancestors without the negative connotations.

LOL! Once the NAACP, $harpton or Je$$e Jack$on link it to the First National Flag of the Confederacy, they will attempt to change it yet again.

I think the problem is one of perceptions. You see it as something that's been taken from you, or forced down your throat. I see that the politically correct forces have been outmaneuvered, and we still have what we wanted to start with.

I see it as a bunch of cowards caving in - people without a backbone.

[Red Phillips]

Why would you be a little embarrassed? Perfectly supports my thesis above. People want to be proud Southerners. But "not that type of Southerner." Well you have bought the big lie. That somehow the South was this unique bastion of hate. That nowhere else ever hated. Well BS. People all over the world have been having ethnic and racial problems since the dawn of time. Not a good thing, but an inevitable outcome of man's fallen nature. And I refuse for one to accept the lie that the South was more "hateful" than any other part of this country or the world. There were never any Irish need not apply signs in the South. We didn't tell Pollock jokes. Few Poles lived down here. No one is beating the North up for their No Irish signs. The South has a mixed history of race relations just like every other place on earth. In fact, now, I think race relations are better in the South than they are in a lot of other places. New York has their race problems. Cleveland theirs. Go brow beat them for a while.