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How to talk to an atheist (and you must)
Townhall.com ^ | January 24, 2005 | Mike S. Adams

Posted on 01/26/2005 9:46:21 AM PST by 7thson

When I pulled into the parking lot this morning, I saw a car covered with sacrilegious bumper stickers. It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention. I’m sure he was also seeking to elicit anger from people of faith. The anger helps the atheist to justify his atheism. And, all too often, the atheist gets exactly what he is looking for.

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To: MineralMan

That's OK, but such denominations seem more Paulist than Christian to me.>>>>

You are correct in your assertion.




661 posted on 01/27/2005 1:07:15 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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To: malakhi

Malakhi?
Many Atheists have given up there denial of GOD, Homosexuals have given up there sinful lifestyles, many people who have not known GOD have been turned into Believers.

What makes a person believe in GOD? they meet him and spend the rest of there days trying to live life he has always wanted us to live.

I am far from being perfect and do I follow GOD's law daily NO I don't but I still strive in trying to.


662 posted on 01/27/2005 1:07:48 PM PST by missyme (imho)
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To: missyme

"That hurt my feelings that you think I would giggle if you burn in hell, what hurts me is that you knew GOD and gave him up.
"

Why on earth should that hurt you? Does it affect your beliefs? I doubt it.

Your expressions of frustration over this are overdrawn, I think. Leave it alone. That is my advice. Worship as you choose and leave others to their own devices.

As for your giggling at my downfall, I'm sorry, but that's the impression you give. Or, perhaps, not giggling, but waggling your finger and saying, "I told you so."

Jesus had advice for you. He told you that if someone wouldn't listen to your story, walk on and shake the dust from your feet. It's good advice. It's unseemly to harangue others with your faith. Just shake your head, and leave the poor atheists alone to our folly. I promise that we'll leave you alone to your beliefs, just as long as you don't insist that we believe the same way.


663 posted on 01/27/2005 1:09:09 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: missyme
My point is, people don't and cannot make themselves believe anything. You either believe it, or you don't. Claiming or professing belief when it isn't really there is just another form of hypocrisy.
664 posted on 01/27/2005 1:09:43 PM PST by malakhi
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To: Selkie

Oh yes..No I am not wishy washy I don't try to be the kind of poster your showing yourself to be..

(telling people what you think they want to hear)

If your sincere Be a Straight Shooter and not some little pansy in your belief in GOD.


665 posted on 01/27/2005 1:11:00 PM PST by missyme (imho)
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To: MineralMan; Stone Mountain

Well, if you two are of the mind that rude insults are not actionable, then you are simply advocating a social breakdown. It is not then of consequence where exactly blasphemy fits in the category of rude insults.

You do not understand whart freedom of speech is, or what rights the first Amendment protects. It is really off-topic here, but, again, censorship was a part of American system when there still was a constitution in effect, and so were local decency laws. Despite that, this country had real political debate and real culture, right till the liberals got they grubby hands on the courts.


666 posted on 01/27/2005 1:11:22 PM PST by annalex
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To: MineralMan
more Paulist than Christian to me.

You realize that St. Paul wrote his Letters before the Gospels were written?

667 posted on 01/27/2005 1:13:18 PM PST by annalex
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To: missyme

"If your sincere Be a Straight Shooter and not some little pansy in your belief in GOD.
"

Oh, my! It's not nice to call someone names, missyme. Your frustration is getting the better of you, I think, and causing you to stumble a bit. Time to think a little, or even pray a little, I'd guess.

Calling a decent person who can discuss issues calmly a "little pansy" is not in keeping with the teachings of the very Jesus you believe. Not at all.


668 posted on 01/27/2005 1:13:53 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: annalex
Well, if you two are of the mind that rude insults are not actionable, then you are simply advocating a social breakdown.

No, I feel there should be social penalties for acting obnoxiously. I just don't feel that our government should be getting involved in matters such as what is obnoxious or what is blasphemous.
669 posted on 01/27/2005 1:16:04 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: malakhi

Well Malakhi I have always valued your biblical knowledge and your straight forwardness in your responses, but I think your wrong in regards to Atheism.

Denying GOD is a person's personal Death Sentence.

I don't wish all these Atheists on this Thread to end up as Dust in the Wind but they have Chosen to die and become a patch of dirt where insects live...


670 posted on 01/27/2005 1:16:16 PM PST by missyme (imho)
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To: missyme
He chose that not me...

You've said things like that several times on this thread. Do you think someone is holding you responsible for Mineral Man's choices? And regarding the choice issue again, if we take him at his word (and I do), study and contemplation led him to his lack of belief. I don't think that he is actively thumbing his nose at God.

...if I had my choice for him I would hope that he would want to be with the Lord and his loved ones.

But you don't. And you can't brow beat him into believing.

My whole point of conversing with MM and the other Atheists on this thread is that they deny GOD out of a personal choice not because they have some solid proof that after a physical death the end up as a patch of dirt for eternity

As the person that believes, it is incumbent upon you to provide proof if you feel the need to convince someone. They aren't trying to convince you not to believe, so why do they have to give you proof that God doesn't exist? If they were attacking you and telling you that you were stupid and wrong, then yes, they should be able to tell you why. But they haven't done that.

671 posted on 01/27/2005 1:16:18 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (Romeo&Juliet, Troilus&Crisedye, Bogey&Bacall, Gable&Lombard, Brigitte&Flav)
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To: annalex

"You realize that St. Paul wrote his Letters before the Gospels were written?"

Well, there is scholarship that suggests that, but there's also scholarship that suggests differently. The bottom line is that we will never know, since the actual originals have disappeared.

The Christian scriptural canon is a funny thing. Learning how the New Testament came to be what it is today is a fascinating study. Theories abound regarding the source material.

One thing that's for sure is that it's the product of a committee. I sure wish I could be a mouse in the corner as its structure and content was decided. There's so much we don't know.


672 posted on 01/27/2005 1:17:10 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: missyme

"I don't wish all these Atheists on this Thread to end up as Dust in the Wind but they have Chosen to die and become a patch of dirt where insects live...
"

Oh, not so, missyme. I have firm instructions that I am to be cremated upon my death and my ashes scattered at Morro Rock in Morro Bay, California. No insects for me, thanks. I'd rather annoy the fish when they chomp down on a flake of ash from my bones. They certainly caused me a lot of grief when I was trying to catch them for dinner.


673 posted on 01/27/2005 1:20:34 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: missyme
missyme, as MineralMan stated...shake the dust...

If you feel that you are to do more, then pray for them. But, please, do not call them or anyone else names and insult them. Has it ever occured to you that perhaps, and I am not stating this as fact but only hypothetically, MineralMan or the other atheists here may have chosen to walk away in disbelief because of this very attitude that you are exuding? We can do so much harm to others with our words missyme. So much harm. Sometimes it is better to not speak and just pray.

674 posted on 01/27/2005 1:21:38 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: missyme
Explain to me, then, how a person can choose to believe.
675 posted on 01/27/2005 1:21:41 PM PST by malakhi
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

Why are you so complacent in defending MM Atheism? Where in the Bible does GOD say to defend people who deny the highest authority of all? I truly feel bad personally that MM denies the Lord obviously many on this thread could care less about MM denial of GOD

Sorry that's not me and I am not a phony.


676 posted on 01/27/2005 1:22:04 PM PST by missyme (imho)
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To: PleaseNoMore

I will try and do better...


677 posted on 01/27/2005 1:23:03 PM PST by missyme (imho)
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To: missyme

I honestly believe that your intentions are good. I do. I believe that you DO care and that is why you are as passionate as you are. Sometimes when we are so passionate we can come across far differently than we hoped to. :o)


678 posted on 01/27/2005 1:25:56 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: MineralMan
I guess I just can't help myself...[grin]

Is there a little masochism lurking beneath that very controlled surface? ;-)

679 posted on 01/27/2005 1:26:30 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (Romeo&Juliet, Troilus&Crisedye, Bogey&Bacall, Gable&Lombard, Brigitte&Flav)
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To: missyme
To: Selkie Oh yes..No I am not wishy washy I don't try to be the kind of poster your showing yourself to be.. (telling people what you think they want to hear) If your sincere Be a Straight Shooter and not some little pansy in your belief in GOD.>>>> Me telling people what they want to hear ?

Surely you jest.

That's hysterical that you're judging me to be 'some wishy washy little pansy'.

If you're not deeply shaky in your own faith, then why do you attempt to browbeat others proving yours and assailing theirs.

It shows a lack of grace and integrity of faith in my book.

The Christian God is a loving God, His judgement is kind not vengeful. The kind of judgement you are bringing forth is vituperous and Ungodly. Capiche ?

680 posted on 01/27/2005 1:27:47 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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