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Study Suggests Whales May Be Related to Hippos
Science - Reuters ^ | Mon Jan 24, 2005 | Anon Science Stringer

Posted on 01/25/2005 8:30:29 AM PST by Pharmboy

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A second look at some 40-million-year-old fossils provides a "missing link" to suggest that the closest living relative of whales is the hippo, a group of scientists said on Monday.

Although the hippopotamus does not seem a likely relative of whales, genetic study has suggested they are close. Now, a team at the University of California, Berkeley, the University of Poitiers in France and the University of N'djamena in Chad say they have found more evidence in the fossil record.

"The problem with hippos is, if you look at the general shape of the animal it could be related to horses, as the ancient Greeks thought, or pigs, as modern scientists thought," researcher Jean-Renaud Boisserie said in a statement.

In Greek the name hippopotamus means "river horse."

"But cetaceans -- whales, porpoises and dolphins -- don't look anything like hippos. There is a 40-million-year gap between fossils of early cetaceans and early hippos," Boisserie added.

The earliest cetacean fossils date back 53 million years while the first hippopotamus fossils date to about 16 million years.

Writing in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Boisserie and colleagues propose a new theory that whales and hippos had a common water-loving ancestor that lived 50 to 60 million years ago.

From it evolved two groups -- the early cetaceans, which gradually moved into the water full-time, and a large and diverse group of pig-like animals called anthracotheres.

These animals flourished, forming 37 distinct genera across the world before dying out and leaving just one descendant 2.5 million years ago -- the hippopotamus.

The theory would class whales, dolphins and porpoises with cloven-hoofed mammals such as cattle, pigs, and camels.

Boisserie argues that some of the older, time-tested ways of classifying animals by body shape and even teeth are not always the most accurate.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: evolution; hippos; missinglinks; whales
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Hmmm...at first I thought this was about Michael Moore and Star Jones.

Innaresting nonetheless.

1 posted on 01/25/2005 8:30:29 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping!


2 posted on 01/25/2005 8:32:22 AM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie because they have to)
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To: Pharmboy

Darwin on Dope


3 posted on 01/25/2005 8:35:02 AM PST by shekkian
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To: Pharmboy
Can someone do a side-by-side of Michael More and Rosie O'Bese, and we can see?

No, wait. Not enough bandwidth.

4 posted on 01/25/2005 8:35:13 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Gay-ROD.)
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To: Pharmboy

I'm trying to decide if Ted Kennedy would be classified as a whale or a hippo. I'd have to go with the hippo. He can go from water to land without suffering any adverse effects and a whale can't.


5 posted on 01/25/2005 8:36:49 AM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (Schni schna schnappi, schnappi, schnappi, schnapp!)
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To: Pharmboy

Can't wait to see the pics of Hillary, Thereza, Albright, Kennedy, and all the gang.


6 posted on 01/25/2005 8:37:41 AM PST by benice
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To: Pharmboy
Must be why they have such Hugh Finns... oops...
7 posted on 01/25/2005 8:37:50 AM PST by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

``I'm trying to decide if Ted Kennedy would be classified as a whale or a hippo. I'd have to go with the hippo. He can go from water to land without suffering any adverse effects and a whale can't.``

True, but, like a whale having to keep its skin moist continuously, Teddy K. has to keep all his tissues soaked in hooch.


8 posted on 01/25/2005 8:39:52 AM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: Pharmboy
Common Design not Common Descent

The following article describes just one of many difficulties in evolving from land animals to a whale.

Whale's tail

9 posted on 01/25/2005 8:43:13 AM PST by DannyTN
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The earliest cetacean fossils date back 53 million years while the first hippopotamus fossils date to about 16 million years.

And Reuters can't fill in the gaps?

Gee.

10 posted on 01/25/2005 8:45:45 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Pharmboy

The last statement by the researcher is unnerving...If previous methods of looking at fossil relationships using
teeth, bones, etc are not always good as in this case, then
in what case are they good? Can a paleontologist ever look
at skeletal remains alone and say that it looks like
"organism A is a descendant of organism B"?

What does that type of information do to the myriads of
"trees of life" formerly constructed based on skeletal
remains?


11 posted on 01/25/2005 8:49:44 AM PST by Getready ((...Fear not ...))
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To: DannyTN
the liberals have foolishly opened yet another front, i.e. homosexuality.

I just wonder how Noah got hippos on the Ark.

If you're going to take Genesis litterally, then you've got to swallow the whole shebang.

12 posted on 01/25/2005 8:51:27 AM PST by narby ( A truly Intelligent Designer, would have designed Evolution)
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To: DannyTN
Common Design not Common Descent ,p>That would make a great defence in a paternity suit. DNA just show common design, not common descent.
13 posted on 01/25/2005 8:53:38 AM PST by js1138
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To: Getready
All they're saying is that DNA is more accurate in classifying Evolutionary relationships.

That's one of the amazing things about Evolution. That the theory originated centuries ago, but that recent DNA studies confirm it, and add to it's precision.

The old method of physical classification of species is still valuable, but nothing is perfect.

14 posted on 01/25/2005 8:54:49 AM PST by narby ( A truly Intelligent Designer, would have designed Evolution)
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To: js1138; Junior; VadeRetro

Should I ping the list to this thread? We've already got a lot of threads cooking.


15 posted on 01/25/2005 8:56:05 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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Can someone do a side-by-side of Michael More and Rosie O'Bese, and we can see?

You are evil. And I do not mean that in a good way.

I now must go wash my brain with bleach to remove that image

16 posted on 01/25/2005 8:58:06 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum)
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To: PatrickHenry
I'm surprised to hear this isn't old news. We've been over this ground on threads two years ago or more.
17 posted on 01/25/2005 8:59:59 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: PatrickHenry

Too many pots spoil the cook. Or something.


18 posted on 01/25/2005 9:01:14 AM PST by js1138
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"Hmmm...at first I thought this was about Michael Moore and Star Jones."

Heh -- good match...

Strangely enough, my first thought was of Michael Moore as well.

19 posted on 01/25/2005 9:03:34 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: PatrickHenry
Didn't we get into an argument with the Blues Brothers a few years back over this?

Go ahead and ping the list.

20 posted on 01/25/2005 9:04:26 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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