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I cannot believe that a non-liberal would bash this speech. Perhaps she is just not comfortable with God herself. She surely need not be embarrassed for the President, he can handle himself. As for the ending; isn't it accepted that America was founded under God to spread freedom and liberty, both religious and economic? Ms Noonan did us a disservice her by giving fuel to the anti-American, anti-religious zealots in our country.
1 posted on 01/21/2005 4:19:46 AM PST by Mikmur
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I'm disappointed in Ms. Noonan's opinion here...MUD


280 posted on 01/21/2005 8:37:02 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Create a new League of Nations, a LeagueOfFReeNations!!)
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"I cannot believe that a non-liberal would bash this speech. Perhaps she is just not comfortable with God herself. She surely need not be embarrassed for the President, he can handle himself. As for the ending; isn't it accepted that America was founded under God to spread freedom and liberty, both religious and economic? Ms Noonan did us a disservice her by giving fuel to the anti-American, anti-religious zealots in our country."

You summed up what she said very well. I totally agree with you. Now she's given all the liberals cover to bash the President.

What is going on with her?


290 posted on 01/21/2005 8:49:02 AM PST by FR_addict
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This is the result of the PC thought police. With all respect to Peggy Noonan. I never thought she would be influenced by the fear of a thought crime.

This is the exact result the left seeks to achieve. The left (democrats) will now point to this article every time they feeeeeeeel threatened by God.

The want to stiffle expression before it is expressed. They want people to fear speaking out when with their piers. Only the left atheist religion is allowed to speak to exercise expression? I think not.


291 posted on 01/21/2005 8:51:42 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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295 posted on 01/21/2005 8:55:36 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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Hey, Noonan. If you don't like it, take it up with GOD !


298 posted on 01/21/2005 8:57:35 AM PST by OB1kNOb (WOODY: "Hey Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you." NORM: " If she calls I'm not here.")
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Mikmur wrote: I cannot believe that a non-liberal would bash this speech. Perhaps she is just not comfortable with God herself. She surely need not be embarrassed for the President, he can handle himself. As for the ending; isn't it accepted that America was founded under God to spread freedom and liberty, both religious and economic? Ms Noonan did us a disservice her by giving fuel to the anti-American, anti-religious zealots in our country.

Noonan sang a different tune on FOX News immediately after the speech, when she had nothing but good words to say about it.

Personally, I have never understood those who think the sun rises and sets on Peggy Noonan.

She really annoys me with that soft, gooey (and supercilious) attitude of hers.

308 posted on 01/21/2005 9:07:12 AM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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Alternatives to killing our enemies are thin on the ground. They...Islamofascists...would slaughter us in a NY minute, they've made that quite clear. It's the only reason they get up in the morning. What to do? Sit around and wait for another 9/11? Clearly this is unthinkable, so we act preemptively, either with force, aid, and example. Iraq and Afghanistan are a mix of all three. Iran's been warned. Syria, too. The rest of the usual suspects...Lybia, Pakistan, etc., are at least singing along with the choir.

Poverty, envy, anger, hopelessness, and illiteracy--(brainwashing, too), are behind Islamofascism. They have no voice in their future. What future? They'd rather be dead in the service of Islam since they believe they'll end up in paradise. But if reality meant democracy, or whatever form their country could achieve, they'd have an interest in living in the real world peacefully. Maybe this is pie in the sky, unachievable, but the alternative: killing them all, generations of young Arab males, etc., for the foreseeable future, isn't rational. It was a troubling speech, but the choice is rather stark. Somebody had to come out with it sooner or later. GW did yesterday. And did it make me happy? No. I'd rather pull up the drawbridge, mine the borders, and let the rest of the world stew in its own juice. But they won't leave us alone, and that's the sorry truth.


310 posted on 01/21/2005 9:13:48 AM PST by hershey
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"Reagan called Soviet communism bankrupt and said it would end in our time. They laughed, but he was right."

Peggy Noonan, June 5, 2004.

Reagan was a bit over the top, was he not?

317 posted on 01/21/2005 9:22:51 AM PST by grassboots.org (Too much Koran, but not too much God...)
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Wow, what's happened to her?

I've always enjoyed her writing, even though I find her more than a little condescending toward mere mortals.

325 posted on 01/21/2005 9:29:29 AM PST by mombonn ( ¡Viva Bush/Cheney! Dukakis and Kerry are the matching bookends of the Bush era.)
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This is weird. All this time I thought she was a Christian.


328 posted on 01/21/2005 9:31:40 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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Noonan is morphing into Maureen Dowd as we "speak"......


333 posted on 01/21/2005 9:39:12 AM PST by smiley
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Be careful or we will devolve into a long-overdue discussion of FR's religious-nut-case minority.

Frankly, I would just rather discuss and disparage the Islamic variety.

But if you insist...


BUMP

342 posted on 01/21/2005 9:59:48 AM PST by tm22721 (In fac they)
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PEGGY NOONAN

"Way Too Much God Was the president's speech a case of "mission inebriation"? "

Peggy, Peggy, Peggy...
You can never have too much God
You can never have too much ammunition
You can never have too many Viking Kitty pics


348 posted on 01/21/2005 10:15:40 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Grateful Heart Tour 2005)
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I guess she didn't like it. Oh well.


351 posted on 01/21/2005 10:29:41 AM PST by Protagoras (No one is fit to be a master and no one deserves to be a slave. GWB 1-20-05)
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How can you have "too much God?"

see tagline.


352 posted on 01/21/2005 10:40:02 AM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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This is just sickening coming from Peggy Noonan. I hope that Sean tears her comments apart today on his show.He seems to be in Peggy's camp alot.


357 posted on 01/21/2005 11:29:52 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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This is just sickening coming from Peggy Noonan. I hope that Sean tears her comments apart today on his show.He seems to be in Peggy's camp alot.


358 posted on 01/21/2005 11:34:06 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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Peggy has been a charming person and a good writer. However, Peggy does not get paid for thinking or leading, she gets paid to put someone's thoughts into words.

Lately she's been "cranky" as one poster wrote. Perhaps she was left out of something or was upset that she wasn't an official member of the campaign team. Whatever it is, it's coming thru in her writings of late.

362 posted on 01/21/2005 11:44:27 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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"As for the ending; isn't it accepted that America was founded under God to spread freedom and liberty, both religious and economic?"

No, I doubt it is "accepted" by very many, beyond the religious faction, of Bush's party.

Many Republicans and conservatives are not among those, who insist everything political and American must be heavily infused with Christian religious references.


371 posted on 01/21/2005 1:06:24 PM PST by truth_seeker
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I disagree with her that the end was neccesarily "over the top". I'd agree that there was a little too much God in there. I'd emphatically disagree with those here who think the President should not have nodded towards American Muslims.

IIRC, Peggy has recently become somewhat religious herself. She's not areligious like me, let alone anti-religious. Her praise for the singing of GBA indicates this.

However, she does seem to understand, as President Reagan did, that some of the fragilest parts of the conservative coalition are people who believe in limited government and an assertive foreign policy....but are not devoutly religious and are indeed concerned about religion-based social/cultural laws.

The idea that there was envy here is silly. No speechwriter who wrote Ronald Reagan's D-Day speech needs ever be envious of anyone.

-Eric

374 posted on 01/21/2005 1:26:12 PM PST by E Rocc (Leftists look at liberty the way Christians look at sin.)
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