Posted on 01/18/2005 9:49:17 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Top flight scientists have something to tell you about evolution. Such statements will never be found in the popular magazines, alonside georgeous paintings of ape-man and Big Bangs and solemn pronuncements about millions of years for this rock and that fish. Instead they are generally reesrved only for professional books and journals.
Most scientists are working in very narrow fields; they do not see the overall picture, and assume, even though their field does not prove evolution, that perhaps other areas of science probably vindicate it. They are well-meaning men. The biologists and geneticists know their facts, and research does not prove evolution, but assume that geology does. The geologists know their field does not prove veolution, but hope that the biologists and geneticists have proven it. Those who do know the facts, fear to disclose them to the general public, lest they be fired. But they do write articles in their own professional journals and books, condemning evolutionary theory.
Included below are a number of admissions by leading evolutionists of earlier decades, such as *Charles Darwin*, *Austin Clark, or *Fred Hoyle. The truth is that evolutionits cannot make scientific facts fit the theory.
An asterisk (*) by a name indicates that person is not known to be a creationist. Of over 4,000 quotations in the set of books this encyclopedia is based on (see BOOKSTORE), only 164 statements are by creationists.
(Excerpt) Read more at pathlights.com ...
I believe you have been told several times that scientific theories are not proven, only disproven.
They do not graduate into facts or laws.
A proper respect for Creation should preclude misrepresenting or ignoring information.
>>Prove creationism I want to believe but you'll have to prove it.<<
How do you prove something beyond human understanding.?
Matthew 12
38Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you.”
39He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one[e] greater than Jonah is here.
This is not true in the case of Evolution. In fact, the theory of Evolution makes several predictions which are not observed. For example, current speciation in the biosphere. We should be seeing it, the theory predicts it, and there is absolutely ZERO evidence of it.
You're right, it's not that simple. You must observe the qualifications of the population you survey to determine who believes what, and what qualifies them to know the facts.
The fact is that virtually 100% of the professional scientists that study ancient species accept that Evolution is a fact. They discuss and dispute various details of Evolution theory, but they have no doubt as to the fact that Evolution occured.
Well that was quite easy. All you had to do was be a jerk and they got mad.
Are you surprised or something?
I want to comment on one part of your post:
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Many of the pro-evolutionists here were really exposed for being quite angry and vitriolic.
Many were also exposed as being smug and condescending, to say the least.<<
That is what happens on every single Evolution/ID thread. That is why I don't frequent them any more. I've spent more time on this one than all the others put together for at least the last six months. And they are right that SOME of the quotes are dubious, but some are spot on.
They consider themselves to be truly superior to the ID people and it is called pride - the most dangerous of sins. It was Satans undoing and the undoing of famous men like Hitler, Stalin and Saddam.
It is there in all men to one degree or another at one time or another. I have exposed it in myself from time to time on these threads. You see, these evolutionists think science and knowledge trump all else, where I, as a Christian, believe faith in God trumps all else.
History is on my side...
A question I've asked and for which I've yet to receive an answer. I've also asked to be pointed in the direction of a reputable scientific journal and/or science textbook. All I've been supplied with are internet sites. NO JOURNAL, NO TEXTBOOK, and NO SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of macroevolution.
I also find it interesting that the evolutionists DEBUNK any scientist, no matter their discipline no matter their name, who disputes that evolution is a fact.
Until and unless I have proof that macroevolution--speciation--one species mutating into a different species--ever occurred, and see this transition in specific examples in fossils (or even see it in my lifetime....since this earth is allegedly MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD...I should be able to witness this for myself) it continues to be my opinion that EVOLUTION is a BELIEF SYSTEM, as is Creation.
And evolutionists have no answer, or proof, on how life "just began" out of nothing.
In order to be a Christian, you have to believe the men that wrote the "word of God".
Evolution does not address the origins of life.
It's called knowledge. Any person knowledgeable in their field will get their dander up with some newbie shows up to tell them they're wrong.
If I showed up in a Christian preachers summit and started to tell them they're wrong about their faith because I took an Old Testament History class at Oklahoma Baptist University 25 years ago, they would get mad at me too.
Get real.
So. There's not enough sediment available to preserve any transitional form between the various horse species, but enough sediment to preserve actual examples of each species in the evolution chain?
What a staggering coincidence! We have sediment preserved long enough to show an actual example of each species in the chain, but all the sediment that might have preserved transitional forms was subsumed into the magma.
This is simply a rephrasing of the same fallacy. In 1880, 99% of physicists believe light was propagated through a substance called Ether because they knew that a wave required a medium of propagation. These were all highly intelligent, highly knowledgeable men in their fields with impeccable credentials.
According to your criteria, nothing should ever have been done to question that assumption because all the great scientists of the day accepted it as fact.
Fortunately, unlike evolutionary biology, physics is an experimental science, and men actually went and looked for evidence of ether. When they couldn't find it, they turned to another mechanism to explain the observed propagation of light as a wave.
Your tag line says it all- But Evolutionist do not try to answer the "why" question, But IDs insist on answering the "how" and "why".
This has been done numerous times and creationists refuse to see the fossil in front of their face.
There was a great post a week or so ago that had detailed the Evolution of dinosaurs to birds listing a dozen or so transition fossils. Links were provided with even more information and other such examples.
But it did no good. Believers are going to believe what they believe. You've made up your own mind, and even if someone mailed you a textbook, you wouldn't believe it. You'd point out the dozen "holes" in between the dozen transition fossils and lock your mind there.
The fossil record is like a motion picture. Frozen frames of information that when shown together give evidence of motion. But by definition there is an infinite amount of missing images. Because you could always have shot another image between these two, then two more between those three, etc. etc.
You will never be satisfied.
Because the quotes in question were taken completely out of context in a wilfully deceptive manner. Which has been demonstrated many times in this thread BY SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT FULLY QUOTED WHAT YOU MINED. Much like your assertion that there are "many" scientists that don't believe in Evolution. It's just BS.
The reason it is deceit to you is no doubt that the quotes from evolutionists run counter to evolution
Evolutionists.....countering evolution? Are you serious?
>>In order to be a Christian, you have to believe the men that wrote the "word of God".<<
Not true. You do, however, have to believe they were inspired by God. I have no problem with that for I have learned that, just as a surgeon proves he is a surgeon by the application of his skill, the Bible has proven itself over thousands of years. It is actually quite amazing. But it is not the bBible that I worship. It is God my Creator that I worship.
There is more to human life than we can even begin to imagine. But science is a nice distraction.
I don't know when and where you went to school, but in SCIENCE class, I was taught the THEORY of evolution as such.
Biblical creationism stayed in Sunday school, religious studies, the home; that is to say, outside of science class.
Perhaps it was as simple has having a better understanding of the English language and knowing what THEORY means.
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