What are you talking about?
Their faces are all clearly shown in these photos.
Posted on 01/15/2005 2:32:03 PM PST by AVNevis
Per MSNBC
What's a lost cause is your abject stupidity,arrogance,juvenile posts,and ignorance;pet.
Sharp as an orange, you are.
Meanwhile Dan Rather escapes consequences for what was a criminal attempt at a coup d'etat.
UN "peacekeepers" rape twelve-year-olds on the taxpayers' dime.
We just released four more terrorists from Gitmo because Tony Blair has pms.
Without addressing the grenade-rolling pos and that Saddam "murderer of three hundred thousand" fellow, perception has been skewed.
And the clock in Iran continues to tick.
Let's not call it torture without giving it a grade or level.
Do you think that it's okay for anyone in the military to ignore specific orders from his/her superiors,in regards to obeying the written rules such as sneaking in one's lover,who is a lower rank,putting on sex-shows with her,for your pals? What about passing her around to them,for the purpose of sexual acts? All done,mind you,when the men were on duty. And she had NO business,none whatsoever,at that site. She was a file clerk,assigned to someplace else.She also has no reason,at all,to have ANY dealings with prisoners.
I agree with all your comments.
There are a couple of things that I have not had answered.
How did Mary Mapes get the pictures? and
The prisoners heads are never shown - except the dead man in ice - Graner and girlfriend both pose over his body. Back when this story broke my thought was -- this was a set-up job, no face, no trace. Just a way to 'get' President Bush and Rumsfeld!
This whackjob caused great harm to the USA, its citizens, and armed forces. IMO, he should hang. A double-hanging along with Hackworth would be better (if he truly did release the AG photos to the media).
I've certainly noticed what you said to be true.
I don't know anyone who's served in uniform who feels anything but disgust for Graner&Co.
The only people who applaud him are the barstool tough guys who like to talk about what they would do if they were over there. "But of course... I got this bum knee... or I'd be over there..."
Having served in uniform, I can't imagine how someone in the military could dishonor themselves the way Graner did. More to the point, I can't imagine how someone in an organization that constantly ensures that every member is painfully aware of the legalities surrounding their particular position could so willfully disregard both US law and the UCMJ.
What are you talking about?
Their faces are all clearly shown in these photos.
Quoting from the Schlesinger Report: "There were five cases of detainee deaths as a result of abuse by U.S. personnel during interrogations. There are 23 cases of detainee deaths still under investigation." I don't know about you, but I would think that if the prisoner ends up dead after the interrogation, that you could call the techinques used during that interrogation "torture" and not just "humiliation." "Humiliation" doesn't end in death.
This idiocy plays like a mathematics word problem:
If Graner gets ten years for his "torture", then how many light years will Saddam Hussein get for the real deal?
While Hussein sits in a cell somewhere seeking ways to delay his trial and just execution until he dies of natural causes, We've become a nation of misplaced priorities, and the MSM is leading the charge. Who cares about the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi dissenters and their families that Hussein put through the shredder and the gas chambers, past the assassination squads and into the ground? Who cares about that when we can slander the U.S. military for acts of justifiable "torture" that would be considered a slap on the wrist before the 1990's?
Not the NYT or CBS news, and not the left-wingers in the U.S. Congress and Senate it seems.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20050116/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_graner
Top Stories - AP
Graner Gets 10 Years in Iraq Prison Abuse
Even AP calls it abuse here.
Even AP calls it prison abuse, not torture..but look at the Australian paper's take on it.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/01/14/1105582713581.html
Are we all torturers now?
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Charles Graner, who is facing a court martial, and another American soldier pose for a photograph behind a pyramid of naked Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison.
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Torture is abhorrent, inhumane and against the law. So how did it become part of America's war on terror? Marian Wilkinson reports.
Snip to the end....
More than 100 of America's leading military, academic and human rights lawyers have written to the Senate judiciary committee saying it is time for an independent bipartisan commission with full subpoena powers to find out whether the White House approved the torture
Misleading title and inflammatory title
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&gl=&ncl=http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/01/16/20050116wacabusesentence.html
All of the articles say prison abuse..Not one calls it torture..only an Australian paper that I found used the word torture.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6795956/
MSNBS says prison abuse...
Clicked on the link. What else is there to expect in this day and age? It's the same sickeningly biased, left-wing coverage that wouldn't be out of place in the BBC or our own NYT "news"paper.
I guess the poisonous tentacles of the MSM stretch around the world, united across all language barriers by the burning, maniacle desire to humiliate America and provide moral uplift and equivelancy for Muslim terrorism.
The lib Australian press attacks Howard the same way ours attacks Bush..There was a sense of PEST in their opinion columns after Howard won.
Click on the google link and the other articles and see that all the articles call it prison abuse..not torture.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/271835p-232802c.html
Lib Daily News came through..just posted also Toronto Star
"Gets 10 yrs. for torture"
They were not there when I posted the google search.
He was not tried for torture..but abuse.
"his major crime was embarrassing the U.S. military "
His major crime was the harm he has done endangering our troops lives even further. What should the sentence be for that? One year? Hardly seems sufficient to me.
..... But in this case it was a clear opportunity by the MSM (CBS, Rather and Mapes went after this with a fury) to use this against the Military and ultimately the war in Iraq and GWB and for that reason Graner had to be a scapegoat for more punishment than his crime deserves.Yes. The punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime, imho.
Speaking of the Old Media ..... it will be interesting to see the reaction from the New York Slimes. It was THEY that ran Abu-Ghraib headlines for ~28 CONSECUTIVE days - even when there was NO NEW information to report, it was front page news in their biased rag. I can imagine their take is that the punishment is too lenient. Whatcha wanna bet?
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