Well, then, you should watch the video available and judge for yourself.http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42337
Posted on 01/13/2005 2:31:58 PM PST by tutstar
On Friday, Michael Marcavage, director of Repent America, and his attorney, Scott Shields of Shields and Hoppe, who is the criminal defense attorney for the 'Philadelphia 5', will appear on Good Morning America to discuss the OutFest arrests and the blatant disregard for our civil liberties.
The moderators don't have a switch to reign in blondeness! Sorry!
If I'm not mistaken, they did have permits to be there. And comparing an Easter sunrise service with an Outfest of homosexuals promoting sinful behavior shows where you're coming from. Aren't you thankful you have free speech?
Well thank you!
I think it's not so easy sometimes to really get my point across. We don't have the benefit of tone of voice or facial expressions and things sometimes aren't as clearly expressed as I thought they were when I first wrote it.
Anyway folks, carry on, blonde brain needs some sleep. Trying to keep a fever away.
I attended a rally to affirm marriage to be between and man and woman put on by local churches. A lot of homosexuals showed up, guys in dresses, offensive signs, etc., and they shouted over the speaker, kept getting closer to the crowd and generally trying to disrupt our gathering. The police asked them several times to move back and they refused. The police began arresting them and then they moved. I live in a medium-sized southern city so maybe that's the difference. Overall the homosexuals were not doing much to change people's opinions about them. But why should they? They are a protected class.
Sleep well.
"These people were arrested FOR A REASON. Somehow, this escaped your post, I wonder why you failed to mention this little fact?"
The reason is obvious; anti-Christian bigotry and intolerance of Biblical free speech on the part of loopy leftists determine to destroy the US via demographic melt down.
We can go around about this until kingdom come, but when all is said and done, your point is really the last one on this issue.
The show has been postponed until next week.
No, I watched the video. The camera moved a goodly distance from the leader as he walked with the police; he was singing with the bullhorn; and his voice was more than subtly amplified.
"Gays "Strut their Stuff" at their "parades" for a reason. Psychologists say that exhibitionism is a defense mechanism for guilt. Those strutters actually feel guilt, but they can't admit that so they act out to cover their shame and guilt."
Very interesting idea, and it does explain a lot of the public outrageous behavior, which is both attention- and approval-seeking. And obnoxious.
Oh come on! Instruments of crime? They were bibles, for goodness sake!
Maybe we should start emailing Katie & Matt with some choice questions/comments, not that it would matter to them,
Not a bad idea, but I do have one suggestion...use small words preferably one or (at most) two syllables.
God Bless America
"When you go to a demonstration with signs and a bullhorn; you are indeed disrupting the event. They were harassed, because the ONLY reason they went to the event was to harass event goers....Again, this has little to do with Christianity; this was a group of people out to show their power and to garner attention; Christianity was the excuse these people used to get attention. I find very little in common with the actions of this group and the teachings of Christ."
That's rather uncharitable of you, Hodar, and you must be reading a different Bible than the rest of us as well. There are many reasons why Christians evangelize and take the kinds of risks these people took. Garnering attention in the simplistic way you imply cheapens the Christian self-sacrifice of those who are deeply concerned at what their children will be forced to hear and read in schools, in the media and everywhere in public if the gay revolution succeeds.
Many Christians are actively working to try to save the souls of the young people caught up in the gay movement that exploits low self-esteem and the crisis in parenting that has corrupted so many homes since the selfish 60s. Many persons of conscience spend hours each week in prayer on this very issue.
The street protesters have a measure of courage to confront evil where it is manifesting itself in public. If you knew the street corner in question, you would realize that it is very, very open and visible for blocks around, and that many young teens or younger children may run straight into the event without realizing it is going on, and be shocked out of their brains by the exhibitionistic behavior that is truly appalling.
I saw one of the early gay pride events in Philadelphia by just such an accident when driving my young child home from church on a Sunday afternoon. We had to stop at a red light, and the parade passed in front of the car. I was forced to put my hands over my child's eyes when a tall, skinny man wearing only a tutu, high platform boots, florid stage makeup and a fright wig sashayed by tugging a chain which was attached with rings to both his pierced nipples, with an expression on his face that has given me nightmares ever since, aside from what my kid might have thought. Beneath all that calculated shock was a troubled human being who needs to hear that God has a way out of such misery and self-mockery.
You apparently believe that intellect and logic can allow you to know the mind of Christ. I suggest that you spend time in prayer and reading the Gospel to allow the Holy Spirit to inform your words and actions; also that you ask God what He thinks, not what you think.
Your posts here have shown that although you are not informed of the news details, you are quick to make judgments and moral equivalency between the evangelists and the Outfest enthusiasts. I believe prayer and Bible study may help you see that the two things cannot be morally equivalent.
Re whether gays should be able to disrupt a sunrise service of Christians as a tit-for-tat: the Outfest was open and public; a church is private property.
Philadelphia is an intensely residential city like few others of its size. A huge portion of the residents are Roman Catholic, especially in the areas contiguous to the gay festival in question; there are also many Protestants and several Orthodox Jewish enclaves, as well as Hindus, Moslems and other religious conservatives. When the City executives decided to advertise Philadelphia as a gay mecca, my guess is that few of the residents were consulted.
You say that the gays paid their money and didn't want to be harassed. In fact, the City paid $25,000 to the event, which you could have found out by reading up before scoffing at the others concerned here with the greater implications to religious freedom these arrests demonstrate.
I believe Philadelphians had every right to protest the event on many grounds, including this taxpayer-extorted, City-imposed liberal-revisionist "morality" foisted on one of the oldest American cities with family traditions going back 400 years.
You seem unconcerned about the disproportionate penalties of 47 years for bullhorn use.
You had a pretty good post, and brought up some points I was not aware of (from the article). There is NO way I could justify 47 years, let alone 47 hours for the 'crimes' the Christians are accused of. This is radical overkill, and I do hope that they get their day in court. No jury would convict, in fact I'd wager the jury would fine the police for false arrest.
But my point is that these "Christians" left their homes not with the intent of spreading Christianity, but to 'bully' their way through a crowd of Gays, and offend as many as they possibly could. This was a power ploy, and these people hid behind the bible in order to satisfy their ego's. Personally, I think God takes a pretty dim view of Pharasises, as these people did nothing but publically espouse religeon in a very santimonous way. Simply stated, their goal was to goad and insult, using the word of God as a weapon. Again, I think God would take a pretty dim view of this. But, again if we remove the grouping 'Christians' from the equation, and substitute anything else, the facts don't look so great.
If a group of liberals did the same thing at a Pro-Bush rally, they would be asked to leave, or face arrest. If these same 'Liberals' chose to defy the police, and went out of their way to create a confrontation, ignoring police requests to cease and desist; they would be arrested. Fortunately, no one was hurt.
Basically, the 'Christians' did their best to incite a riot. Now, lets say that cool heads did not prevail; and someone was hurt. Very likely, the Christians would have been the losers, as the odds were overwhelming. Who gets sued? Very likely the police would be held culpable, as they were there to provide security. No one wins.
My question is why do the gays have to have these events out in the open in public? Why can't they reserve a ballroom or a large convention center for them?
And why should the city government have to pay a dime toward them? The government would not pay a dime toward my garden club's meeting I am sure. Nor would they pay for a Christian Women's Retreat.
I think the whole thing is discriminatory. They are singled out for donations by the government to hold their meeting, but none of our groups can expect the same.
Well, then, you should watch the video available and judge for yourself.Maybe you can show me how! Keep reading...
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