The Vincent Foster Op-ed Contest (Redux)

[ml/nj]

Wow! I cannot believe it. There are new Freepers who not only believe that Vince Foster committed suicide, but think that those who believe he was murdered are space cadets. (Link to post, I am reacting to.)

This prompts me to resurrect my Foster op-ed contest that I proposed years ago when I was posting to a closed list. (JimRob was also a poster there.) My problem with many of the things being posted then about Foster were that they were just to complicated to summarize briefly. I suggested that people post op-ed length articles that might cause casual readers to become interested enough to inquire further. This was my own (award winning) entry:

Who Killed Vince? - Ask Bill Clinton!

What can I say to convince you that you should at least ask questions about the death of White House Deputy Council, Vincent Foster?

What first aroused the suspicion of this former Clinton supporter?

In a word: Disinformation. Or what I perceived as disinformation.

In the initial days after the death everyone who knew Foster portrayed him as the "Rock of Gibraltar." Within days some started to ask why such an emotionally strong man would kill himself. Then, the official story switched abruptly to portray Foster as depressed, and the famous torn note mysteriously appeared as supposed evidence. It didn't ring true to me.

Why would disinformation exist at all? I'm not talking about honest errors made while gathering news. I'm speaking of deliberately presented false information. For example the torn note. It's a poor forgery according to leading British handwriting expert and Oxford scholar Reginald Alton. (see the London Times 10/26/95)

The obvious reason why disinformation exists is to obscure the truth.

What other disinformation is there? Well, let's start with when the President found out. The body and White House ID were found by 6:30PM. Hillary, in Little Rock, was called around 8:30. But we are told that the President, in the White House, didn't learn about the death until 9:55. I suspect he knew by 7PM. Yet two hours later he was on the Larry King Live show as if nothing unusual had happened. Why would he go on with the show in this manner? He certainly wouldn't have done so if he were surprised and stunned by his "lifelong friend's" death.

"Lifelong friend"? That's disinformation too. Foster grew up in Hope, Arkansas. Bill Clinton, 19 months younger, moved away from Hope to Hot Springs 75 miles away when he was six years old. They didn't grow up together. They didn't go to high school together. They didn't go to college together. They didn't go to law school together. What possible reason could there be for misrepresenting Bill Clinton's relationship with Foster?

There is a government publication that chronicles the words of the Presidents - speeches, remarks, news conferences, etc. It has not a single sentence in the 1993 Clinton volume in which the President speaks both the words =Foster= and =friend=. But then it doesn't have any sentences where the President connects the words =Foster= and =suicide= either. Instead it contains Clintonspeak like: "We'll never know what drew him away from us." Of course, Clintonspeak is just cleverly disguised disinformation.

What about the evidence? Surely there must be evidence that Foster committed suicide. Well, in fact, there is not. The official story is that he drove to Ft Marcy Park, walked into the woods, put a .38 in his mouth and pulled the trigger. But there was very little blood where his body was found. There were no bone fragments or brain matter on the ground; and the fatal bullet was never found. None of Foster's teeth were broken by the substantial recoil of the .38. The barrel of the gun had no blood on it. There really is no evidence for suicide - except for falsified evidence.

Why would the FBI falsify evidence? Who could direct them to do so? A man named Patrick Knowlton was in Ft Marcy Park that afternoon and witnessed suspicious activity by someone whom he now believes was acting as a lookout. The FBI report of the interview begins by misspelling Knowlton's name, obscuring his identity. It states that he did not see anything suspicious and would not be able to identify anyone he saw. But two years later a British reporter tracked Knowlton down and got the real story. Knolwton's memory of the lookout was sufficiently good that the London Telegraph commissioned and published (10/22/95) a police sketch of the man Knowlton saw. Furthermore, Knowlton is certain that Foster's car was not in the parking lot; which could be why someone falsified the Knowlton interview.

What about all the official investigations: Fiske, D'Amato, Starr? They each addressed the dubious production of the torn note, but none bothered to produce the opinion of a certified handwriting expert. Why should anyone think them more thorough or honest in their treatment of the other evidence?

What about the media? Why would they go along? The only US reporter who has attempted to investigate the Foster death was fired from his job at the New York Post. He had to take a job with a small paper in Pittsburgh. Every critic of this Administration is transformed into a liar. If you think that Clinton's defenders are at all vicious attacking those who point out sexual indiscretions of the President, it doesn't take much imagination to guess what might happen to those who ask questions about suspicious deaths.

If you're interested in what the news was during the immediate aftermath of Foster's death, check out my New York Times Index on Vincent Foster [Annotated].

And if you really want information (drawn only from government sources) check out Hugh Sprunt's Citizen's Independent Report (CIR).

"The thinking citizen who looks beyond your reports to review the medical, biographical and simply descriptive facts of the case will be left with the strongest impression this side of certainty that Foster was murdered." James Dale Davidson WSJ Letter 4/11/95

ML/NJ

[185JHP]

Thanks.

[ml/nj]

I seem to remember that Foster was making fairly frequent trips to Switzerland. Do I remember correctly?

See my reply at #13.

ML/NJ

[Clintonfatigued]

Well, one part of proving a murder is establishing a motive. What possible motive would Clinton and his minions have for killing Vincent Foster, who had no history of disloyalty?

[Paperdoll]

Vince Foster's death ONLY ONE of soooooo many mysterious deaths during the Clintonista era.

[doug from upland]

Memorialized in song several years ago. For the record, I believe that Vince killed himself and his body was moved so the FBI would not seal his office. Among the things that made him despondent was the tainted blood scandal that was killing innocent victims. As the Clinton's attorney, Vince had a lot of covering up to do for the evil couple. In about 1994 or 1995, I met Patrick Knowlton in L.A.

MIDI - BATTLE OF NEW ORLEANS - scroll down for MIDI

I'm stuck in traffic and really had to pee
And can't believe this kind of thing is happenin' to me
I'm lookin' for a restroom but there isn't one to find
So I know that trouble's brewin' and I'm really in a bind

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
That mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

A mile down the road I think I might a seen a sign
And I think it said McDonalds and to me that's mighty fine
I'm shakin' all over, people thought it was a dance
But there's no way in Hades that I wanna mess my pants

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
That mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

The pain was growin' so I'm pullin' over quick
I just gotta find a place because I think I'm gettin' sick
I saw "Ft. Marcy" and I started yelling "hark!"
There will be a tree and I will just go tinkle in the park

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
That mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

Well, I jump from my car but there's some fella watchin'
He's glarin', I know that he's as mean as he could be
I quickly walk to a tree by a cannon
I didn't want no trouble I just had to take a pee

I'm zippin' my zipper and I'm getting' in my car
But the thug is there, I'm wonderin' if I'll be gettin' far
I saw two cars that later I was able to describe
I'd tell the truth, I'd tell it straight and never take a bribe

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
And mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

Then harassment was startin' by some guys a packin'
They're watchin', they're bumpin' me wherever I would go
'Cause that's the time that they dumped poor ol' Foster
Those guys had done him in that day, I didn't even know

[EagleUSA]

Yes, poor Vince. Certainly got involved with the wrong gang...shot 12 times in the head (HAR)...definitely a suicide. NO DOUBT.....

[doug from upland]

I know troopers Patterson and Perry, and helped L.D. Brown with a book tour a several years ago in Los Angeles. Perry was on duty in the governor's mansion in Arkansas when the call came from Helen Dickey that Vince killed himself in the parking lot of the White House. That all cwas right about the time that the body was discovered. Clinton learned about it a few hours later while on the IS LARRY KING STILL ALIVE show. Dickey lied under oath in front of the D'Amato committee and claimed she didn't learn about the death until about 10pm. I made several calls to D'Amato's office and screamed at them for not calling Perry and Patterson to testify. They were read and willing to testify but D'Amato refused to call them. Had they testified, the Clintons would have been finished. Lisa Foster would not allow Hillary to view the body. Satan's Daughter had to stay out in the hallway. Gee, I guess Lisa knew what had been going on.

There was an old post on FR which had the affidavits from Perry and Patterson about this event.

[ml/nj]

What possible motive would Clinton and his minions have for killing Vincent Foster, who had no history of disloyalty?

Some say there is only one way to leave a criminal organization.

I believe that Vincent Foster was an honest man who reluctantly agreed to come to Washington. He couldn't abide what he saw going on and wanted to leave.

ML/NJ

[MamaLucci]

Same motive as the Ron Brown murder...........dead men tell no tales.

[TBall]

I wonder who could have done more damage to the clinton's presidency Vince Foster or Ron Brown? Jimmy McDougall didn't stand a chance, but you have to respect him for trying to set the record strait. From the little airport in Mena all the way to Beijing the clinton's knew how to corrupt power.

[Ivan]

Wasn't there a small caliber bullet wound to Foster's neck?

I followed the drug trafficking reports very closely. The final allegations were that Clinton was involved in laundering the money from the sales of the Mena drugs through the Arkansas Development Fund. I remember hearing a question from Sarah McClendon at a press conference recorded by Ralph Nader. Clinton was asked if he was involved in bringing drugs into the country through Mena. His reply was "I was not involved with bringing drugs into the country, that was a Federal operation". This aired on Chuck Harder's talk show in 93 or 94.

[logician2u]

I couldn't help but wonder why not one of those cameras captured an image of Vince Foster leaving the building or the property on the day he was murdered.

Others have wondered the aame thing, Baynative.

One of our illustrious Freepers, PJ-Comix, did a cartoon strip in 1998 where Lt. Columbo visits Bill Clinton in the Oval Office and -- (Just one more, thing, Mr. President . . ) -- it ended with this very topic. In the fictional encounter, Slick explains that the video was "missing."

The cartoon version seems to have disappeared from the Web. However, PJ posted the script on FreeRepublic a couple of years ago.

It's always bothered me that the Republicans, who stood to benefit the most by exposing wrondoings in the Clinton administration, never took the bull by the horns and conducted a full-blown inquiry into exactly what happened to Foster. Instead, they dismissed anyone who had doubts on the suicide as conspiracy theorists. Reed Irvine was many things, but one of them was not a conspiracy theorist. (But it probably makes me a conspiracy theorist for wondering why the Republicans didn't take an active interest in getting the truth out of the White House, on this and other matters. That's OK. I'm used to it.)

[logician2u]

Flagging this to your attention.

[Experiment 6-2-6]

FYI footnote, My cousin has a top security clearance.

Not for much longer if such information keeps appearing here...

[peyton randolph]

I suspect that Foster was killed rather than committed suicide. However, that is speculation based on what has been presented to the public. There is a difference between speculation and bald assertions made without a foundation in fact or reason. Some of these "Vince Foster was murdered" threads contain accusations that do nothing but give the DUmmies ammo to use. Interpreting cryptic messages with the Bible Code and other such nonsense has the same credibility as the horoscopes posted at The Onion. It reminds me of the leftist whackos who referred to Reagan as the anti-Christ because each of his names contained 6 letters (Ronald 6 Wilson 6 Reagan 6). At some point, you have to question the credibility of those who base their claims on nonsense.

[Repub4bush]

LOL, I didn't give away anything major trust me. What I told was common knowledge in certain circles ;)

[Chu Gary]

Hmmm, you don't hear a lot about Chelsea's father these days.

[Texas Songwriter]

I will go to my grave believing Hillary ordered Foster to be killed. She was convienently out of town. I believe Foster said the media will find out certain information and they would be ruined. Hillary said "Now Vince, we've been through a lot worse than this. Wait until I get back in town and we will work it all out." She hung up the phone in Arkansas and then called the persond who killed him. She ordered Fosters killing. Likewise Brown was shot in the head with a 45. AS I remember there were about 25 other people who died in the aircraft. They were sacrificed. But Brown was the target.