Posted on 01/10/2005 6:20:19 PM PST by ml/nj
Wow! I cannot believe it. There are new Freepers who not only believe that Vince Foster committed suicide, but think that those who believe he was murdered are space cadets. (Link to post, I am reacting to.)
This prompts me to resurrect my Foster op-ed contest that I proposed years ago when I was posting to a closed list. (JimRob was also a poster there.) My problem with many of the things being posted then about Foster were that they were just to complicated to summarize briefly. I suggested that people post op-ed length articles that might cause casual readers to become interested enough to inquire further. This was my own (award winning) entry:
Who Killed Vince? - Ask Bill Clinton!
What can I say to convince you that you should at least ask questions about the death of White House Deputy Council, Vincent Foster?
What first aroused the suspicion of this former Clinton supporter?
In a word: Disinformation. Or what I perceived as disinformation.
In the initial days after the death everyone who knew Foster portrayed him as the "Rock of Gibraltar." Within days some started to ask why such an emotionally strong man would kill himself. Then, the official story switched abruptly to portray Foster as depressed, and the famous torn note mysteriously appeared as supposed evidence. It didn't ring true to me.
Why would disinformation exist at all? I'm not talking about honest errors made while gathering news. I'm speaking of deliberately presented false information. For example the torn note. It's a poor forgery according to leading British handwriting expert and Oxford scholar Reginald Alton. (see the London Times 10/26/95)
The obvious reason why disinformation exists is to obscure the truth.
What other disinformation is there? Well, let's start with when the President found out. The body and White House ID were found by 6:30PM. Hillary, in Little Rock, was called around 8:30. But we are told that the President, in the White House, didn't learn about the death until 9:55. I suspect he knew by 7PM. Yet two hours later he was on the Larry King Live show as if nothing unusual had happened. Why would he go on with the show in this manner? He certainly wouldn't have done so if he were surprised and stunned by his "lifelong friend's" death.
"Lifelong friend"? That's disinformation too. Foster grew up in Hope, Arkansas. Bill Clinton, 19 months younger, moved away from Hope to Hot Springs 75 miles away when he was six years old. They didn't grow up together. They didn't go to high school together. They didn't go to college together. They didn't go to law school together. What possible reason could there be for misrepresenting Bill Clinton's relationship with Foster?
There is a government publication that chronicles the words of the Presidents - speeches, remarks, news conferences, etc. It has not a single sentence in the 1993 Clinton volume in which the President speaks both the words =Foster= and =friend=. But then it doesn't have any sentences where the President connects the words =Foster= and =suicide= either. Instead it contains Clintonspeak like: "We'll never know what drew him away from us." Of course, Clintonspeak is just cleverly disguised disinformation.
What about the evidence? Surely there must be evidence that Foster committed suicide. Well, in fact, there is not. The official story is that he drove to Ft Marcy Park, walked into the woods, put a .38 in his mouth and pulled the trigger. But there was very little blood where his body was found. There were no bone fragments or brain matter on the ground; and the fatal bullet was never found. None of Foster's teeth were broken by the substantial recoil of the .38. The barrel of the gun had no blood on it. There really is no evidence for suicide - except for falsified evidence.
Why would the FBI falsify evidence? Who could direct them to do so? A man named Patrick Knowlton was in Ft Marcy Park that afternoon and witnessed suspicious activity by someone whom he now believes was acting as a lookout. The FBI report of the interview begins by misspelling Knowlton's name, obscuring his identity. It states that he did not see anything suspicious and would not be able to identify anyone he saw. But two years later a British reporter tracked Knowlton down and got the real story. Knolwton's memory of the lookout was sufficiently good that the London Telegraph commissioned and published (10/22/95) a police sketch of the man Knowlton saw. Furthermore, Knowlton is certain that Foster's car was not in the parking lot; which could be why someone falsified the Knowlton interview.
What about all the official investigations: Fiske, D'Amato, Starr? They each addressed the dubious production of the torn note, but none bothered to produce the opinion of a certified handwriting expert. Why should anyone think them more thorough or honest in their treatment of the other evidence?
What about the media? Why would they go along? The only US reporter who has attempted to investigate the Foster death was fired from his job at the New York Post. He had to take a job with a small paper in Pittsburgh. Every critic of this Administration is transformed into a liar. If you think that Clinton's defenders are at all vicious attacking those who point out sexual indiscretions of the President, it doesn't take much imagination to guess what might happen to those who ask questions about suspicious deaths.
If you're interested in what the news was during the immediate aftermath of Foster's death, check out my New York Times Index on Vincent Foster [Annotated].
And if you really want information (drawn only from government sources) check out Hugh Sprunt's Citizen's Independent Report (CIR).
"The thinking citizen who looks beyond your reports to review the medical, biographical and simply descriptive facts of the case will be left with the strongest impression this side of certainty that Foster was murdered." James Dale Davidson WSJ Letter 4/11/95
ML/NJ
just too complicated
I hate when I do that!
ML/NJ
This prompts me to resurrect my Foster op-ed contest that I proposed years ago...This was my own (award winning) entry...
So you started your own contest and awarded yourself one of the prizes? Move over, Hubris, a new sherrif is in town!
Welcome (Since Jan 6, 2005) to FR!
Why don't you see if you can do better?
ML/NJ
PS "Award winning" was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I guess you couldn't tell.
I still believe he DID commit suicide --- in hillary's bedroom!
Then he was packed up and shipped to the park.
PS "Award winning" was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I guess you couldn't tell.
No, I'm generally regarded as dense.
There are far too many contradictions and discrepancies in the official accounts for anyone who has looked into the issue to believe that Vincent Foster committed suicide where he was found in Fort Marcy Park.
My own view is that the odds are about 99% that he was murdered, and maybe 1% that he committed suicide in the White House and was bundled out to the park to avoid an embarrassing scandal. But that's much less likely than murder.
I would suggest beginning with Hugh Sprunt's "A Citizen's Independent Report on the Death of Vincent Foster," then go on to read the series of articles by Chris Ruddy and the book on clinton by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard.
There's plenty more, but that should be enough to convince any rational person that this business smells to high heaven.
Vincent Foster is not the only clinton murder victim, either. There's also Ron Brown and everyone on the plane with him, and dozens or possibly hundreds of others. Clinton grew up as a member of the Dixie Mafia and spent a good deal of time and made a great deal of money as a drug trafficker. Murder came easy to him.
Monica was only diversion to keep an already compliant press away from too much examination. The same FBI investigators who DIDN'T lie about Willie's DNA faked the evidence on Vince.
Not even Willie, however, could have seen that his playing footsie with OBL and Saddam for cash would turn into 9/11 as it did. Wilie, Vince, Hubbell and others all took care of the evidence at this end. The kerrorists were not as prudent so, maybe, some day, we'll prove Willie's involvement using captured documents.
I hope you are not being serious. (I consider murders ordered by the President of the United States a serious matter.) Hillary's bedroom was in the White House private quarters, and Hillary was not there. (She was on the way back to DC from Hawaii via LA and Little Rock.) And if Foster did kill himself somewhere else, why didn't the body movers also move the implement of death (gun, knife, rope whatever) to Ft Marcy Park?
ML/NJ
Hugh Sprunt's CIR is a wonderful piece of work. Has it been pinned down by credible source that Vince made trips to Switzerland and came back the same day?
My cousin has a "job" in DC. He can't tell me what he does, or he would have to kill me. He loves to tell me that. LOL
Anyway, he was very familiar with the Foster cover up as he puts it.
He was privy to the real info,(before it, the real evidence disappeared,) and said there was no way in hell from the evidence that Foster committed suicide.
Also being one of his best friends was one of the park police on the scene, and given my cousin's security clearance, he got the first hand account before the cover up started. He was so appalled by the clinton machine, he re registered as a Republican. He had been voting conservative for years, but decided to make it official after this horrible event.
Oh and another tidbit from him about the clintons. He said right after clinton took office, he and the spawn of satan had just gotten into the presidential limo, when bill started screaming at hill as she lit a cig. She used the typical DU language to humiliate him in front of the SS. ;) My cousin is a treasure trove of info. I love when Christmas comes, I can usually get some good info from him.
FYI footnote, My cousin has a top security clearance.
The Switzerland trips story was almost certainly disinformation. Someone (maybe Orlin Grabe, or maybe he just repeated it.) posted ascii text purporting to be American Express charge records from Foster's account for airline tickets to Switzerland. Anyone can type anything they want to and post it. The folks who created these records didn't even bother to make up any other charges (hotel, restaurant, gift) that might normally occur when one travels to Europe.
ML/NJ
My Op-Ed.
FMCDH(BITS)
It is my understanding that the video of the parking lot has film of Foster's car, and then when the next tape picks up his car was gone. There is one surveillance video that is missing. Conveniently, there is no video of Foster's car leaving the parking lot. I certainly believe he was murdered, but I don't think ol' slick did it. I think Hillary had a hand in it. She is much more ruthless and power hungry than Bill. He was just a dumb schmuck who got pushed into the office by his b**ch of a wife. There are many people in their wake who have ended up dead. How many people do each of us know who died of unnatural causes? Knowing those damned Clintons was almost as unlucky as knowing the woman on "Murder, She Wrote".
The book "Ron Brown's Body" is excellent.
That is possible for a double action but not for a single.
One theory has it that Vince left the White House rolled in a rug, which made it difficult for him to sign out (and he wasn't exactly camera-ready). Helen Thomas, of all people, noted out loud that a rug was missing. If memory serves, carpet fibers were found all over poor Vince. He coulda been a contendah.
I seem to remember that Foster was making fairly frequent trips to Switzerland. Do I remember correctly?
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