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1 posted on 01/04/2005 12:24:26 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
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I think the problem has to be tackled in the family; schools and media wholesale. Won't happen before Jesus returns. Then He'll take care of it top to bottom.

But, if we were going to tackle it . . .

1) ANYTHING that contributed to the cultural gestalt that divorce was no big thing should be taxed severely. Pool the money for anti-divorce education as well as cleaning up the mess from divorce.

2) REQUIRE 6 MONTHS OF 3 HRS/WEEK OF MARRIAGE TRAINING/COUNSELING BEFORE ALLOWING ANY MARRIAGE. No exceptions.

3) ANYONE SHACKING UP longer than 2 weeks WITHOUT 2 ABOVE should be taxed double their federal income tax with the extra going to the divorce remedy fund. NO exceptions.

4) Those making so little as to avoid 3 above would be moved to a group home where furnishings were sparse; walls bare concrete; 4 hour weekly group meetings and 1 hour family counseling mandatory; 10% of their income would manditorily go into savings. Half of that would go to divorce remedy fund; group home would be led by live-in couple very successful at marriage and family. Family could not leave the group home until they had sufficient employment and down payment on at least a plot and a trailer. . . . Group home would be constructed with parent family in hub with 3-4 spokes to other family rooms. kitchen and dining would be centered, shared.

5) Single parent moms would also be housed with the fathers of their children in a similar group home with similar limitations and requirements. No exceptions. Fool hardiness, carelessness in the sack would be met with forced limitations on living options wholesale.

6) No idiot liberals advocating mindless 'freedoms' could be group home parents.

THERE IS NO FREEDOM WITHOUT RESPONSIBILITY.
--VIKTOR FRANKEL


475 posted on 01/04/2005 8:16:36 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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Whos not a sinner....?
Trot him/her out let me take a look at em...
477 posted on 01/04/2005 8:20:19 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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I thought the Bible was pretty clear, in the Commandments, that adultry is a sin. I think the people who oppose gay marriage should also try to recriminalise adultry and end no-fault divorces, with the party at fault facing jail time.


530 posted on 01/04/2005 9:36:53 PM PST by johnmilken (capitalism = free trade = allowing the market to allocate resources)
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High divorce rates are simply the byproduct of a culture that has contempt for such values as honor, commitment, and loyalty.
551 posted on 01/04/2005 9:56:00 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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Just a comment to those who have been in an abusive relationship and got out.
Ignore what the "thumpers" are saying. They were not in your situation nor could ever hope to know what kind of abuses go on in a relationship like that. They wear blinders and tell you all you need is the power of God to overcome your situation, which means "stay and take it".
My first marriage ended in diivorce because I was married, she was not. Best thing I ever did with that bi-polar, never knew who was in my bed, lying wench.
My present wife and I have known each other since 9th grade....we are now near 50, been married for 9 years and have had the most pleasant of experiences you could hope for. Her life was no cakewalk either, but if the "thumpers" think they know best, they know nothing of reasons for divorce.

Walk a mile in my shoes before you judge my character.

725 posted on 01/05/2005 12:45:29 AM PST by Pistolshot (Prosperity is the aid to progress and the enemy of terrorism.)
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But my ex was the Antichrist, so I'd think the church would be ok with it.
754 posted on 01/05/2005 1:38:14 AM PST by RoarkMan (no tag line entered)
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But my ex was the Antichrist, so I'd think the church would be ok with it.
755 posted on 01/05/2005 1:38:15 AM PST by RoarkMan (no tag line entered)
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Look, guys, divorce is sometimes necessary, but it's a tragedy when it happens. God didn't intend for it to happen, but, if one of the spouses screws things up, the other one needs an out. Divorce is that out. And Jesus and the apostles ade it clear that it is allowed under the right circumstances.


798 posted on 01/05/2005 5:22:10 AM PST by No Dems 2004
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Divorce is never between 2 people. It affects generations and children are treated the worst.


799 posted on 01/05/2005 5:27:34 AM PST by wallcrawlr (www.bionicear.com)
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Proverbs 25:24

"It is better to be living in a corner of the roof-top, than with a bitter-tongued woman in a wide house."


811 posted on 01/05/2005 6:43:04 AM PST by P.O.E. (Happy New Year)
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The Bible says " if we sin , GOD is faithful and just to cleanse us from " ALL " unrighteous . "
847 posted on 01/05/2005 10:22:29 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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I am divorced ,,,, so ? that makes me a SINNER , what other reason then ? did JESUS CHRIST COME HERE TO EARTH ? than to save S I N N E R S .
Those who WON'T and DON'T admit to GOD that they are a S I N N E R is committing the worse of all the sins , it's called PRIDE .
God resist the PROUD, but, Gives grace to the humble.
852 posted on 01/05/2005 10:32:25 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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bump for later read


924 posted on 01/05/2005 1:21:30 PM PST by power2 (JMJ)
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Why would a Gentile be under the Old Testament laws? I'm not Jewish.


933 posted on 01/05/2005 1:41:56 PM PST by dljordan
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I've been divorced TWICE and I know it's a sin and you suffer the consequences daily. On the other hand, life goes on, and I am happily married and this better be my last marriage - and I mean it. It would literally kill me to have to go through that hell again.


966 posted on 01/05/2005 2:50:45 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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To: Gabz; Ginifer; exnavychick

Hello, ladies. I've been slowly working my way through this thread off and on since last night. I haven't finished reading all of the posts, but I wanted to respond to you.

I'm not a Christian, but I do believe in God. And I believe that your conscience is the voice of God. I often find myself saying things like "I would never do something like that" then I hear that small voice saying "Oh, but you have" and remember something that I've done that I'm not proud of.

My point here is that if your conscience (God) is not telling you that your divorces were wrong, then they weren't. I've done a lot of things in my life that I know that I shouldn't have and I regret them. But my divorce isn't one of them. I am completely at peace with the decision to end my first marriage and I'm glad that you are as well.

Hugs to all of you. :-)


1,019 posted on 01/05/2005 8:20:00 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (A tagline! A tagline! My kingdom for a tagline!)
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Horse hockey. Damn, self righteous author needs to mind his own business instead of declaring that people have sinned.


1,109 posted on 01/07/2005 6:40:53 PM PST by DaGman
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I am a Christian man who attends a couple of Pentecostal churches and I've met several divorced people. Most of the time in the U.S. it is the woman that initiates the divorce, although I have heard of several men that have initiated divorces, and in some instances both people mutually agree to divorce. Even if the woman you marry is really nice, there's no guarantee that she won't divorce you, even though you are faithful and try to treat her well. In 2001, a Pentecostal woman friend who is an absolute sweetheart to her friends, separated from her Pentecostal husband, citing words that he had said. She later divorced him. In 2004, another really affectionate woman who was a music leader in a church that I attend separated from her Christian husband. She stopped attending that church for the time being and has remained separated even though there is no evidence of adultery or physical abuse by the husband. While I'm not going to judge these women, but I am concerned that if they don't seek reconciliation with their husbands, that they may lose their future places in Heaven if Conditional Security is true.

The divorce problem in North America is leading many North American men to seek wives from Asian and South American countries in which it is rare for women to divorce. This will mean that more American women who want to marry will be unable to.




1,116 posted on 02/01/2005 1:12:20 AM PST by URist
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