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1 posted on 01/04/2005 12:24:26 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
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2 posted on 01/04/2005 12:26:39 PM PST by griffin
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3 posted on 01/04/2005 12:28:58 PM PST by GrandEagle
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I'm divorced-----best thing that ever happened to me,my former spouse,and our 5 kids(who were all adults when we were divorced).


4 posted on 01/04/2005 12:30:03 PM PST by Mears
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"The fact is that anyone who finds themselves in a bad marriage made a mistake at one time or another. Half the time, their biggest mistake was getting married in the first place. To prevent these bad matches or to help get the marriage off on a better start, marrying couples should be required to undergo several hours of marriage classes and/or marital counseling from a licensed minister or marriage counselor."

For people marrying in a church ceremony, this is almost always, if not always, required. Yet there are plenty of divorces among those couples, too. The counseling is often cursory and the couple may not pay that much attention-it's just another thing on the long list of to do's.


5 posted on 01/04/2005 12:33:46 PM PST by VRWCisme (I'm new around here. It's nice to meet y'all!)
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To prevent these bad matches or to help get the marriage off on a better start, marrying couples should be required to undergo several hours of marriage classes and/or marital counseling from a licensed minister or marriage counselor.

How bout I just shack up instead. /unintended consequences

7 posted on 01/04/2005 12:35:34 PM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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I guess it's a good thing Mr. Ex's ex (sounds funny lol) was an adulteress, otherwise we'd be living in sin. Or are we anyway?

Too confusing for me. :)


19 posted on 01/04/2005 12:42:40 PM PST by exnavychick (I'm no expert, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!)
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The solution is simple: marry the right person. Then you won't have to get a divorce. Otherwise, it's the best solution rather than live in hell.

Even if you do marry the "right" person, things can change.

I'm glad my parents divorced.


20 posted on 01/04/2005 12:43:23 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Name a shrub after me - something prickly and hard to eradicate.)
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Divorce is NOT the "Great Sin".

It is the consequence of all the sins which led up to it.


21 posted on 01/04/2005 12:43:51 PM PST by Gman
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Divorce is not a sin. In the orthodox faith divorce eclesiastical divorce is permited for specific enumerated reasons. The faith allows for two divorces or three marriages. The humor goes one for being too young, two for being on the rebound, and the last marriage you better get it right.

There are even specific provisions petitioning for special permision to go beyond that for more specifically enumerated reasons. (death, fraud, deciet, misrepresentation)

Too bad england did not stick with the orthodox faith, then king henry may not have needed to break from the home church.

If we are REALLY serious about reforming civil divorce then some legal conservative thinktank should make a proper model divorce code. Right now the ONLY model divorce code used by legislators has been written by the ABA which has more no-fault, homosexual sex partner visitation standing, and children as an accessory to mariages of adult "breeders" (not to be confused with homosexual marriages.)


22 posted on 01/04/2005 12:43:55 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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Strong words that need to be heeded... it's too easy to get divorced.


24 posted on 01/04/2005 12:44:04 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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There's no one who doesn't know someone who's been divorced.

When I was a kid I was this person who didn't know anyone who was divorced. All my relatives who were married and all their friends who were married were permanently married. Divorce was unthinkable. And nobody was miserable either.

28 posted on 01/04/2005 12:45:55 PM PST by firebrand (Living in the past)
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Where's the article on "The Sin of Spousal Abuse"?


31 posted on 01/04/2005 12:49:10 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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As a child who's parents should have never been married and were divorced when I was 12, I feel that divorce is something that is tragic and be avoided at all costs...even if that means not marrying someone in the first place.

IMHO, of course.

33 posted on 01/04/2005 12:50:32 PM PST by arizonarachel (Prayer works!)
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This hits close to home since my parents who have been married to each other for 20 years have recently gotten divorced, and they both are conservative Christians. It pains me to see my 7 year old sister go through this. It's heartbreaking when I see my sister and she wants to stay at my dad's house longer but can't because she has to go back "home" and she starts crying. She won't have the same luxury that I had, growing up in a 2 parent household.


40 posted on 01/04/2005 12:52:04 PM PST by ConservativeTeen
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Interesting article. It's easier to hate or criticize those who are not part of your group. It's a heckuva lot harder to do so for members of your group.

Most churches have their complement of divorced members. You look at them every Sunday. How are you going to criticize or hate them.

OTOH, most churches have no homosexual members. It's a lot easier to hate the person who's not there, it seems to me.


41 posted on 01/04/2005 12:52:35 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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Do you know why a divorce is so expensive?

(ready the rimshot)


49 posted on 01/04/2005 12:55:18 PM PST by Jonx6
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>>>>Those who believe in gay marriage have pointed to divorce as an argument against those who seek to protect marriage from same sex unions. I reject the argument that one evil prospering requires that we allow another blow to traditional family values<<<<


I am divorced. I do believe that divorce is a sin in most cases, but not all. For instance, Christians need not stay married to non-Christians. The thing is, Christians are forgiven for their sins if they seek it, believe they need it, and intend to change as well.

The comparison of homosexual marriage vs. divorced Christians is unfair. Homosexuals are choosing sin as a Lifestyle, while most Christians divorcing experience extreme pain, soul searching, and attempt NOT to make the mistake again. It can not compare to staying in a relationship which God abhorrs.


50 posted on 01/04/2005 12:55:22 PM PST by hushpad (Come on baby. . .Don't fear the FReeper. . .)
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I'm so incredibly, overwhelmingly proud of you *sniff*. Now quit judging the rest of us. Thanks.


66 posted on 01/04/2005 1:03:36 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To prevent these bad matches or to help get the marriage off on a better start, marrying couples should be required to undergo several hours of marriage classes and/or marital counseling from a licensed minister or marriage counselor.

Actually, parents used to do that during a long ritual called "courtship" where the couple spent more time figuring their relationship out than making out (or fornicating).

The problem is that marriage is seen as something done to fulfill the person getting married, not something givin as an unreserved gift to the person you are marrying. People divorce because it isn't fun anymore so what did they really do, get married or shack up with a certificate?

Contrary to popular opinion, Jesus did not counter Moses' law for divorce. Jesus confirmed it as something required in a fallen world. But He did emphasize that divorce wasn't to be taken lightly. It's a last resort of desparate people who are being destroyed by the marriage.

Shalom.

70 posted on 01/04/2005 1:05:35 PM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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Woohoo, what fun!

The article had it spot on about why Pastors don't talk about this. Count the number of frothing rants in the talkbacks already!

How DARE you talk about MY shortcomings. Talk about HIS over there you %(%*^& insenstive pastor!


76 posted on 01/04/2005 1:06:51 PM PST by frgoff
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