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Married, without children: Finding fulfillment with no kids
Rocky Mountain News ^ | 1/3/05 | Mark Wolf

Posted on 01/03/2005 8:31:56 AM PST by qam1

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To: exnavychick
It's a shame you view children as screaming brats.

Well, you have to admit that some are :-). In fact, I would guess that all of them scream on occasion, and are brats now and then ...

481 posted on 01/03/2005 1:12:33 PM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: exnavychick

that is what this homo-advocate-author wanted.


482 posted on 01/03/2005 1:13:00 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: hopespringseternal
Not having children is a definite sign of immaturity. It never occurred to me to have kids, even after I married, until a grew up some. And then the kids came and I found out I only thought I was a grownup.

I think you are a$$-backwards. Had you 'grown up' before you had kids....my bet is you never would of had them.

483 posted on 01/03/2005 1:13:13 PM PST by zoobee (Reason to have kids: I need someone to take care of me when i'm old.....waaaahhhhhhhhhh)
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To: KevinDavis

1 of the 3 top reasons for divorce, one spouse wants a child, the other doesn't. And better yet, if you have one, and she still didn't want it, 99% chance she will love the baby, she will be hostile towards you. I see it all the time. This, like money should be agreed to in writing before ANYBODY gets married.


484 posted on 01/03/2005 1:13:56 PM PST by thesoothsayers
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To: Tax-chick

Very true. :) But that is not all they are, and I think it's a shame to view them in only an unflattering way. If having children can't be a positive experience, there wouldn't be so many who DELIBERATELY have more than one. :)


485 posted on 01/03/2005 1:14:44 PM PST by exnavychick (Just my two cents, as usual.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Possibly. I don't think he would have to have an agenda for this to happen, though. :(


486 posted on 01/03/2005 1:15:58 PM PST by exnavychick (Just my two cents, as usual.)
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To: Clemenza

It's definitely your decision not to have babies, but I can assure you, they don't *always* scream, and aren't *always* brats.

Just at night...

When you are trying to sleep...

But they napped and are bored and WIDE AWAKE.

But the positives have outweighed the negatives for me, at least! :o)


487 posted on 01/03/2005 1:16:12 PM PST by P-Chan Penny (When Informed Women Vote, Republicans Win!!!!!)
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To: exnavychick

Sometimes they are screaming brats, no doubt.

Other times they are funny, loving, or interesting.


488 posted on 01/03/2005 1:16:31 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: HairOfTheDog
"I didn't say childrearing was a whim, I was saying it wasn't something I should just up and decide to do on advice from a stranger on a message board."

Yeah, right.

Have fun on all those riding trails.

489 posted on 01/03/2005 1:16:48 PM PST by Artist
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To: P-Chan Penny

My three little nephews are adorable and are always well behaved when Uncle Clemenza is around. I can tolerate (and even enjoy) children in small doses.


490 posted on 01/03/2005 1:18:08 PM PST by Clemenza (President: Liger Breeders of the Pacific Northwest)
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To: exnavychick

True - we do know where they're coming from :-). Just the atmosphere of the thread, probably ... people are going to extremes.


491 posted on 01/03/2005 1:19:57 PM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: exnavychick
It's not childless. It's childfree. (-;
492 posted on 01/03/2005 1:20:15 PM PST by WolfRunnerWoman (I want closure on the word "closure".)
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To: Abigail Adams
I am beginning to think that the most selfish, arrogant, self-righteous people in our society are parents.

I know that some of my friends are bitter about getting married so young and having kids. They had to follow the rest of society and feel they were short-changed in life.

493 posted on 01/03/2005 1:20:42 PM PST by zoobee (Reason to have kids: I need someone to take care of me when i'm old.....waaaahhhhhhhhhh)
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To: KevinDavis
At first she did, now she wants wait.. I don't know why...

Have you asked her why? Like in a comfortable setting while she is in a good mood?

Also, sometimes just backing off can help. She might feel pressured or have fears about it. Then boom, one day she says lets do it on her own. (I am a guy so my advice may be bunk)

But dont let the disagreement tear you apart. Be patient.

494 posted on 01/03/2005 1:22:09 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: WolfRunnerWoman

OK.


495 posted on 01/03/2005 1:22:09 PM PST by exnavychick (Just my two cents, as usual.)
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To: thesoothsayers; KevinDavis
1 of the 3 top reasons for divorce, one spouse wants a child, the other doesn't. And better yet, if you have one, and she still didn't want it, 99% chance she will love the baby, she will be hostile towards you.

I was going to post something along the same lines... that there is much risk with pressuring someone who is unwilling, to make such a move, no matter which of the pair is reluctant. The marriage may certainly not survive such a pressured decision. And the marriage may not survive disagreement over such a fundamental life decision. There is risk either way, the only difference is the number of people affected by the divorce.

My friend who just had her baby never said she wanted to be a mother until she married a man who wanted children. Even pregnant, she never said it. I'd say, "Are you happy about this?" she'd say "Tim is". Time will tell how well this goes.

496 posted on 01/03/2005 1:22:20 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: thesoothsayers
What minority has the greatest GROWTH population in this country? Then tell me if they vote conservative.
497 posted on 01/03/2005 1:22:41 PM PST by zoobee (Reason to have kids: I need someone to take care of me when i'm old.....waaaahhhhhhhhhh)
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To: Clemenza

I'm glad you have a good relationship with your nephews... I'm sure they appreciate it, and will appreciate it more as they get older. It can be fun for you, too. If I didn't have kids (I tried for 10 years before having my daughter), I planned to be "Crazy Old Aunt Penny" with 12 cats and 15 pomeranians.

Ah, the best laid plans...


498 posted on 01/03/2005 1:22:52 PM PST by P-Chan Penny (When Informed Women Vote, Republicans Win!!!!!)
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To: Abigail Adams

Having children certainly does not make us more spiritual. However, I find that being a parent keeps me on my knees and makes me utterly dependent on the Lord for wisdom and grace. Love in action helps us move past our selfishness and do what is good for another. I do appreciate your post. God does demonstrate His love--which is unconditional--through Jesus Christ. Through our relationships--work, family, friends, community, He will comform us into His image. It's not always easy, but great is the blessing!

God bless you!


499 posted on 01/03/2005 1:23:16 PM PST by jer33 3
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To: exnavychick

I say because of temporary insanity. j/k I have five. I'm really insane. ;-)


500 posted on 01/03/2005 1:23:32 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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