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In the beginning . . . Adam walked with dinosaurs [Creationist Park]
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 02 January 2005 | James Langton

Posted on 01/02/2005 12:20:11 PM PST by PatrickHenry

With its towering dinosaurs and a model of the Grand Canyon, America's newest tourist attraction might look like the ideal destination for fans of the film Jurassic Park.

The new multi-million-dollar Museum of Creation, which will open this spring in Kentucky, will, however, be aimed not at film buffs, but at the growing ranks of fundamentalist Christians in the United States.

It aims to promote the view that man was created in his present shape by God, as the Bible states, rather than by a Darwinian process of evolution, as scientists insist.

The centrepiece of the museum is a series of huge model dinosaurs, built by the former head of design at Universal Studios, which are portrayed as existing alongside man, contrary to received scientific opinion that they lived millions of years apart.

Other exhibits include images of Adam and Eve, a model of Noah's Ark and a planetarium demonstrating how God made the Earth in six days.

The museum, which has cost a mighty $25 million (£13 million) will be the world's first significant natural history collection devoted to creationist theory. It has been set up by Ken Ham, an Australian evangelist, who runs Answers in Genesis, one of America's most prominent creationist organisations. He said that his aim was to use tourism, and the theme park's striking exhibits, to convert more people to the view that the world and its creatures, including dinosaurs, were created by God 6,000 years ago.

"We want people to be confronted by the dinosaurs," said Mr Ham. "It's going to be a first class experience. Visitors are going to be hit by the professionalism of this place. It is not going to be done in an amateurish way. We are making a statement."

The museum's main building was completed recently, and work on the entrance exhibit starts this week. The first phase of the museum, which lies on a 47-acre site 10 miles from Cincinatti on the border of Kentucky and Ohio, will open in the spring.

Market research companies hired by the museum are predicting at least 300,000 visitors in the first year, who will pay $10 (£5.80) each.

Among the projects still to be finished is a reconstruction of the Grand Canyon, purportedly formed by the swirling waters of the Great Flood – where visitors will "gape" at the bones of dinosaurs that "hint of a terrible catastrophe", according to the museum's publicity.

Mr Ham is particularly proud of a planned reconstruction of the interior of Noah's Ark. "You will hear the water lapping, feel the Ark rocking and perhaps even hear people outside screaming," he said.

More controversial exhibits deal with diseases and famine, which are portrayed not as random disasters, but as the result of mankind's sin. Mr Ham's Answers in Genesis movement blames the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado, in which two teenagers killed 12 classmates and a teacher before killing themselves, on evolutionist teaching, claiming that the perpetrators believed in Darwin's survival of the fittest.

Other exhibits in the museum will blame homosexuals for Aids. In a "Bible Authority Room" visitors are warned: "Everyone who rejects his history – including six-day creation and Noah's flood – is `wilfully' ignorant.''

Elsewhere, animated figures will be used to recreate the Garden of Eden, while in another room, visitors will see a tyrannosaurus rex pursuing Adam and Eve after their fall from grace. "That's the real terror that Adam's sin unleashed," visitors will be warned.

A display showing ancient Babylon will deal with the Tower of Babel and "unravel the origin of so-called races'', while the final section will show the life of Christ, as an animated angel proclaims the coming of the Saviour and a 3D depiction of the crucifixion.

In keeping with modern museum trends, there will also be a cafe with a terrace to "breathe in the fresh air of God's creation'', and a shop "crammed'' with creationist souvenirs, including T-shirts and books such as A is for Adam and Dinky Dinosaur: Creation Days.

The museum's opening will reinforce the burgeoning creationist movement and evangelical Christianity in the US, which gained further strength with the re-election of President Bush in November.

Followers of creationism have been pushing for their theories to be reintegrated into American schoolroom teaching ever since the celebrated 1925 "Scopes Monkey Trial", when US courts upheld the right of a teacher to use textbooks that included evolutionary theory.

In 1987, the US Supreme Court reinforced that position by banning the teaching of creationism in public schools on the grounds of laws that separate state and Church.

Since then, however, many schools – particularly in America's religious Deep South – have got around the ban by teaching the theory of "intelligent design", which claims that evolutionary ideas alone still leave large gaps in understanding.

"Since President Bush's re-election we have been getting more membership applications than we can handle,'' said Mr Ham, who expects not just the devout, but also the curious, to flock through the turnstiles. "The evolutionary elite will be getting a wake-up call."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creationism; cretinism; crevolist; darwin; evolution; kenham; themepark
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To: js1138

My slip, indeed, I can't remember the exact timing, but it would have to be even more recent.


341 posted on 01/03/2005 1:15:12 PM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: superskunk

Man and dinosaur never co existed..Man is MUCH older than 6000 years. I cannot see wht science and religion have to be exclusive of eachother.


342 posted on 01/03/2005 1:16:23 PM PST by hineybona
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To: PatrickHenry

Perhaps calling evolutionism science is our first problem.

Where has SCIENCE demonstrated by experiment that mutations produce good things for a creature or plant? All observed mutations reduce information and produce results for the organism that are detrimental.

Give an example of an observed mutation that has produced positive and additive results for an organism. I see none of this on any of the websites or in the literature. It is all assumed by Darwin and by those since he wrote his notions.

Hence evolution is not science but an ism and when it is attacked by others the evolutionist try to hide behind the cover of the S word SCIENCE. The worst kind of religion is one that claims its science. I am sick and tired of relgions of any stripe claiming they are science.

PROVE mutations cause positive things for organisms by producing a mutation that does so through natural, not man made tinkering. If you manipulate DNA to cause a positive mutation with your MIND working to do so that's not natural mutation but artificial.


343 posted on 01/03/2005 1:20:24 PM PST by kkindt (knightforhire.com)
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To: js1138

This seems to be what passes for scientific discussion from Creationists.


344 posted on 01/03/2005 1:22:10 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: kkindt
Perhaps calling evolutionism science is our first problem. Where has SCIENCE demonstrated by experiment that mutations produce good things for a creature or plant? All observed mutations reduce information and produce results for the organism that are detrimental. Give an example of an observed mutation that has produced positive and additive results for an organism. I see none of this on any of the websites or in the literature. It is all assumed by Darwin and by those since he wrote his notions. Hence evolution is not science but an ism and when it is attacked by others the evolutionist try to hide behind the cover of the S word SCIENCE. The worst kind of religion is one that claims its science. I am sick and tired of relgions of any stripe claiming they are science. PROVE mutations cause positive things for organisms by producing a mutation that does so through natural, not man made tinkering. If you manipulate DNA to cause a positive mutation with your MIND working to do so that's not natural mutation but artificial.

MRSA

345 posted on 01/03/2005 1:29:15 PM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
And I have a billion trillion dollars, just in my wallet, a mansion, a coachhouse, lots of racing horses. Oh yeah, and 18 PhDs from every school in America, and one in England

I don't dare call you a liar. How many wives do you have? You first. Otherwise you'll one-up me.

346 posted on 01/03/2005 1:33:58 PM PST by Dataman
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To: kkindt
Give an example of an observed mutation that has produced positive and additive results for an organism. I see none of this on any of the websites or in the literature.

If I provide an example, will it make any difference to you? Be honest.

347 posted on 01/03/2005 1:34:13 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: shubi
"Yes, it is change over much longer than 5000 years."

Possibly, although it could be claimed that the Cambrian explosion indicates that changes can (and in fact must) come much more quickly (at least at times) than Darwin had first posited and many still believe.

"That is why you guys don't believe it."

There are serious questions on the theory of evolution. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.

"You have not sufficiently studied the biology to make the connections over the millions of years it has been changing."

I will mention it again - the Cambrian explosion. The claim that life formed slowly over millions of years simply doesn't fit when considering this era.

348 posted on 01/03/2005 1:40:07 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: hineybona
I cannot see wht science and religion have to be exclusive of eachother.

They're not. Science is just our attempt to understand the laws that govern God's creation. Sometimes our understanding just isn't up to the task. I have a B.S. in engineering, which doesn't make me a scientist per se, but it does at least give me a solid background in the sciences. I agree that science and religion are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they are complimentary. I think the main problem today is that scientists are given grants to promote agendas instead of advance knowledge. It's a flawed system that needs to be repaired.
349 posted on 01/03/2005 1:44:52 PM PST by superskunk (Quinn's Law: Liberalism always produces the exact opposite of it's stated intent.)
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To: PatrickHenry

There is an interesting book called Mysteries of the Creation by Rabbi Dovid Brown.

http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?fp=121&sp=32


350 posted on 01/03/2005 1:47:30 PM PST by thompsonsjkc
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To: MEGoody
The Cambrian Explosion was about 50 million years long, and there is evidence of precursor fossils dating from earlier. In other words, there's nothing magic about the Cambrian, and it's entirely consistent with the theory of evolution.
351 posted on 01/03/2005 1:52:32 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: safisoft

I don't need the vowel points because I was trained to speak and read without them.

I think the Masorites did a fine job, but you have to keep an open mind to the real meaning and sometimes the vowel points hamper that.

It is impressive how faithful the copies were to the original text over the centuries. It makes me irritated with people who think the KJV is a better translation than the Hebrew. That same mindset is present in creationists.


352 posted on 01/03/2005 2:16:38 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: MEGoody

It can be argued that the Cambrian "explosion" was quick, if you think millions of year is quick;-)

There are no serious questions about evolution. If there were, it would no longer be held by science as a theory. A theory is the underlying principles that tie data together. In this case there are mountains of data supporting the Theory.

Please list your serious "questions" for discussion:

(I have had a hard day and need a good laugh-thank you)


353 posted on 01/03/2005 2:20:43 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
shubi-doo, shubi-dooo, no one believes you, shubi-doo

Shubi, the self-proclaimed Hebrew expert, has given him/herself a screen name that tells much about his/her true Hebrew background. i.e. not a biblical Hebrew expert, as he/she claims. The word is transliterated shuvi unless you simply looked it up in a Strong's dictionary. If you read the Hebrew text, it clearly is pronounced "shuvi". Anyone who speaks modern Hebrew can tell you the same thing.
354 posted on 01/03/2005 2:39:54 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Just mythoughts
Scripture please.

Why start asking for that now? You don't care what it says.
355 posted on 01/03/2005 2:42:40 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: kkindt

"Where has SCIENCE demonstrated by experiment that mutations produce good things for a creature or plant?"

Antibiotic immunity in bacteria. It has been done and is repeatedly done to test new antibiotics.

Your ideas that mutations have to positive for organisms are misplaced. Due to natural selection, only the positive ones are selected, but positive and negative are relative. This is what sickle cell anemia illustrates. Its positive in malarial areas, but negative in populations not exposed to malaria.

So, having shot down every one of your arguments, I would assume you will change your conclusions.




Didn't think so.;-)


356 posted on 01/03/2005 2:45:05 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

Post ignored


357 posted on 01/03/2005 2:46:30 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Lucky Dog

"Perhaps you could address the questions posed to you, now... Or do you plan to ignore them because you cannot answer them?"

There was only one question I could find, which was addressed. Apparently, you either did not want to hear or did not understand the answer.


358 posted on 01/03/2005 2:49:30 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: MEGoody

Creationists are anti-science. I am not.

I believe in God as Creator, but am not so arrogant as to tell him how to do it.


359 posted on 01/03/2005 2:51:06 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: safisoft

My screen name is based on Frank Sinatra, not Hebrew. But an interesting analysis nonetheless. ;-)


360 posted on 01/03/2005 2:57:00 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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