GOP, You Are Warned

AEI ^ | 29 dec 04 | David Frum

[B4Ranch]

>>Yeah but would a jury convict a criminal whose crime is to take a job cleaning toilets or pick vegetables.<<


John Morganelli, the PA DA has been having remarkable success with charging them for using false ID in his County. One conviction after another.

[B4Ranch]

>>He will ignore the problem so someone else can take care of it some other time.<<

By then the Dems will have both majorities! Would you care to send him a Thank You card?

[thombo]

"Republicans fear the clubbing they'll get from the media" That's the bottom line.Get tough on illegal immigration, he(Bush)is labeled a racist. Republicans will never hear the end of it from msm + liberal elite.Remain soft on illegal immigration, and alienate members of the rep party. I don't think any party is willing to take a tough stand on this issue. Political suicide.

[WildTurkey]

Exactly right. I may actually vote for Hillary IF she actually does something to stop illegal immigration as opposed to merely rhetorically opposing it.

Uh, you will vote for what she does BEFORE she becomes president and then you will regret your decision as she flip-flops back to the left AFTER she has flipped you for your vote.

[B4Ranch]

>>All good advice, except for the fact that We are "the GOP".
We don't work for them. We don't need to fall in line with whatever policies they decide will get them re-elected.
They work for us and must do OUR bidding or face removal via the voting booth. Be warned.<<

Damn, it sure is nice to see someone who understands how the Party is supposed to work! FR is overloaded with sheeple who think that whatever the RNC says must come from the bible and they bow their heads as they follow the spoken word.

When people ask where the republican backbone is, I say it has melted because of these sheeple.

[B4Ranch]

>>If they don't get their shit together pretty quick and do some of the things they have "talked" about for 4 12 years, they WILL get their clocked cleaned in the next election.<<

The way to clean their clock is to vote in a new candidate and rid ourselves of the ones who got us into this manure pit.

[Matchett-PI]

"Sorry, haven't you learned? I live in OH. OH will NEVER vote for Hillary. Nor will 300 other EVs." - LS

Hillary will NEVER be president.

Hillary's mentor, Saul Alinsky in "Rules for Radicals":

"The first rule of power tactics is: power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/886451/posts

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New York Daily News Published: 1/17/00
Author: BARBARA OLSON

"He who fears corruption fears life." - Saul Alinsky,

"Rules for Radicals"

This quote immediately came to mind after my reading of Hillary Rodham's Wellesley College senior thesis - a document kept under lock and key since the 1992 elections.

Back then, when researchers and journalists were searching for information on the newly elected First Couple, Wellesley suddenly declared that it would seal the thesis of any graduate who became President or First Lady.

A few weeks ago, however, I came into possession of Hillary's suppressed thesis.

In those 75 pages, the future First Lady reveals herself as someone steeped in the political lore and history of one of America's most political cities. No, not New York - Chicago. There she began her political journey from Goldwater girl to leftist icon.

The thesis' title, "There is Only the Fight ... An Analysis of the Alinsky Model," exposes Clinton's strong ideological attachment to her most influential mentor, Saul Alinsky.

Reading this work makes it clear why she had to remove it from public view, for Alinsky, who died in 1972, was a radical social activist who preached grass-roots organizing and intense, confrontational politics.

While Clinton was studying under Alinsky, he was preparing what would be his final and most important book: "Rules for Radicals," published less than two years after Hillary graduated from Wellesley and only one year before his death.

Alinsky's hold on Hillary is astonishingly evident in her thesis, which is replete with his yet-unpublished political tactics. The thesis reveals that he was moving from local organizing efforts to a new arena - the national stage.

She wrote: "His [Alinsky's] new aspect, national planning, derives from the necessity of entrusting social change to institutions, specifically the United States government."

Alinsky, we can now see, taught Hillary the political tactics that she successfully deployed in Arkansas and the White House and is now beginning to use in New York.

What were his lessons?

Alinsky defined "obtaining power" as a key tactic of organizing his "mass jujitsu." His formula for attack: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it."

This principle has become the essence of the Clinton rapid-response tactic and a key aspect of Hillary's attacks on what she has dubbed "a vast right-wing conspiracy."

The Clinton White House has adhered to Alinsky's rule that "ridicule is man's most potent weapon" and followed his advice to "let nothing get you off your target."

Hillary discusses another Alinsky rule - "power is the very essence, the dynamo of life" - in her thesis. Clearly, she had absorbed his lesson that one must first obtain power to achieve real change.

But nowhere in her thesis - or in her later life - does she seem to recognize the classical liberal critique that the relentless pursuit of power is antithetical to democracy.

Perhaps the most prescient part of the thesis is a quote from a profile of Alinsky in The Economist: "His charm lies in his ability to commit himself completely to the people in the room with him. In a shrewd though subtle way, he often manipulates them while speaking directly to their experience."

Although her thesis was written several years before she cornered Bill Clinton in the Yale Law School library, Hillary had come to recognize the potential power of a man of exceptional charm.

Alinsky recognized the potential of his student and offered her a paying job to develop organizers for "mass power-based organizations."

Hillary's thesis confirmed the offer and called it "tempting." But she decided law school was a better place to develop the skills necessary to effect the changes in government she has spent so much of her life trying to achieve.

Hillary's thesis received an A. So far, her political acumen in New York has yielded her at best a C-. But her story continues to unfold.

Barbara Olson is the author of "Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton." 73 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1035840/posts?page=73#73 12-10-2003

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BILL, HILLARY, SAUL, AND MORAL RELATIVISM Saul Alinsky and the Lessons He Taught Bill and Hillary FR ^ | 03/23/00 | The Wanderer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/886451/posts

R. Emmett Tyrrell references Alinsky quite often in his just released book Madame Hillary: The Road to the White House.

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Saul Alinsky - The Religious Left follows him "religiously". Their magazine: Sojourners
Rev. Jim Wallis, Editor, Sojourners Magazine
http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=Soj0003&article=000311

[B4Ranch]

>>Hillary can submit all the bills she wants. It doesn't matter anymore. Bill Frist runs the Senate and she's a member of a minority coalition.<<

Will Frist be the majority leader in 2006?

[LS]

yep, the owner is "evil" if he or she is hiring criminals. You are evil if you hire someone to snuff a competitor. It's no different. Breaking the law is breaking the law.

[LS]

Exactly. I really don't think you even understand your own arguments. Wal Mart's goods are cheap because they "out source" a lot. Illegal immigration is a form of domestic outsourcing. If you FORCE businesses to cut off outsourcing, it raises prices, right? So do you favor higher consumer prices?

[LS]

Why do they need to be behind bars? Why not obey the law? You don't have a prob. with insider traders being behind bars if they break the law? Why are employers who hire illegals any different? How about if NO ONE breaks the law---illegals OR businesses?

[NJ_gent]

"Yeah but would a jury convict a criminal whose crime is to take a job cleaning toilets or pick vegetables."

You're trying to change the subject. The criminal act is not the taking of a job. The criminal act is the gross violation of America's sovereign border. Did PersonX cross the border illegally? Yes. Punishment? Jail/deportation/whatever. End of story; case closed.

The only thing defenders of illegal aliens can do in support of their friends is to throw up a smokescreen in a futile attempt to confuse the issue. The issue is now, and always has been, the security of America's borders. The economic damage and other problems associated with illegal immigration (crime increases, poverty increases, drained social services, overworked and underfunded hospitals, and terrorists sneaking across the border) are all merely symptoms of the larger problem. Everything thrown up in terms of 'human rights', 'racial profiling', 'racism', etc is all a mere smokescreen to get us off the issue of the fact that we have criminals pouring across our borders creating a massive security situation for a nation always under threat.

[B4Ranch]

>>My home is America which is a sovereign nation.<<

Are you sure we are a sovereign nation? The UN is doing everything they can to change it and I'm not convinced the President is 100% against that idea. Seeing the Law of the Seas Treaty pushed twice by his administration is scary!

This four country coalition aiding the tsumani victims is just a slap in the face to Annan to remind him we didn't like the corruption in the Oil for Food program.

[LS]

I agree those aren't the answers. But the PROBLEM is not that they are "standing around" but that they are even HERE. Once again, the problem is that people are criminally crossing our borders.

[LS]

BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAH. Again, just try her in a national election. You'll find out how much my "hatred" of Hillary is shared.

[txdoda]

They should be set to work on a border security fence too. The one Israel has is a good model

A fence would be great, except I doubt we would get that. Stopping the 'revolving door' & 'roadblocking' the drive thru areas would indeed free up our BP agents "to go after the bad guys".

If you announced world wide, that first-time invaders could never come legally, you just might put many coyotes out of business too.

If 'tent jails' are good enough for citizens, they should be plenty good enough for non-citizens. (this would also save local jails much money, too)

We should have had this years ago. An SS# database can be set up in a snap.

Supposedly, this "hot-line" is up & running nation wide right now.......however it was passed as only a VOLUNTARY program for employers to use.

[LS]

Agreed, the country wants someone to do something about immigration. But Hillary ain't it, and it would be VERY EASY to expose here as a fraud on this issue---so, no, Americans will not support her. They will support immigration enforcement.

[JustAnotherSavage]

You have expressed interest in this subject in the past, please let me know if you want off this illegal immigration ping list. Thanks!

[B4Ranch]

>>I'm old and I forget things!<<

LOL You too huh? But getting old is better than the alternative anyday.

[LS]

Dan, you better understand that the MINUTE Hillary comes out with SERIOUS proposals to enforce immigration, those "248" electoral votes you give her will become 10, or fewer. She would lose support with the whacko leftist base so fast you couldn't spell "new party."