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'No Credible Evidence' That Carrying Concealed Weapons Laws Decrease Crime
Million Mom March (united with the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence) ^ | 12/23/2004 | Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort

Posted on 12/28/2004 3:23:29 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

'No Credible Evidence' That Carrying Concealed Weapons Laws Decrease Crime
Press Release
Contact:
Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort
P.O. Box 170393
Milwaukee, WI 53217
Phone: 414-351-9283

'No Credible Evidence' That Carrying Concealed Weapons Laws Decrease Crime According to a New Report From the National Academy of Sciences: Statement by Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort

Gun Lobby Shoots Blanks on False Claims That Wisconsin Families Will Be Safer If Residents Are Allowed to Carry Hidden and Loaded Handguns in Public Places

MILWAUKEE -- A new report released from the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), "Firearms and Violence," found "no credible evidence" that carrying concealed weapons laws decrease crime. The gun lobby has long claimed that carrying hidden and loaded handguns on the streets and in public will make families and communities safer, despite overwhelming opposition from Wisconsin law enforcement officials and Wisconsin voters. However, the new National Academy of Sciences report casts doubt on the research underlying the claims that carrying concealed weapons laws reduces crime.

Although the NAS said more data is needed to assess CCW laws, the finding that there is "no credible evidence" that concealed weapons laws reduce crime concurs with similar findings from researchers across the country. The NAS report also found no "increase" in crime as a result of CCW laws, although previously researchers at Stanford and Yale law schools did find marginal increases in crime.

"One would hope this report from the National Academy of Sciences would signal the end of the relentless agenda by the gun lobby to permit carrying concealed weapons in Wisconsin," said Jeri Bonavia, Executive Director of the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort. "Many of the most esteemed researchers and professors in this country could find no positive benefit in passing carrying concealed weapons legislation. Common sense would dictate that since Wisconsin has such a low crime rate, and CCW is soundly opposed by law enforcement officials and the public, lawmakers should focus on issues that really matter to families such as strengthening our schools and providing jobs."

The report, which examined a host of gun violence prevention measures including CCW laws, called for a comprehensive national effort to collect accurate data on gun ownership and gun violence incidents in order to evaluate the effectiveness of gun violence prevention measures. The National Academy of Sciences said researchers need accurate data on the number of guns manufactured and distributed, access to crime gun trace data, and more information on patterns of gun ownership and types of weapons owned in order to adequately assess policies to reduce and prevent gun violence. Gun violence prevention organizations have long supported efforts to collect more data to implement a national public health approach to reducing gun violence, but the gun lobby in America has systematically blocked those efforts that could lead to a reduction in crime and gun violence.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; ccw; concealedcarry; crime; junkscience; millionnagsmarch; mmm; nas; pc; pressrelease; wisconsin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"A new report released from the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), "Firearms and Violence," found "no credible evidence" that carrying concealed weapons laws decrease crime."

IOW, no liberal has yet admitted it. There is evidence A-PLENTY that CCW states have lowered certain crime stats, such as car-jackings and muggings.

21 posted on 12/28/2004 3:35:10 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

You can be certain if there was even the slightest sliver of evidence that it INCREASED violent crime, they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. This tends to suggest that they didn't find any evidence of that, either.

While this question is irrelavant in the face of the fundamental basic human right to self-defense that is at the basis of concealed carry laws, these researchers may also be only looking at overall crime rates, rather than rates of specific types of confrontational crime.

If - because of concealed carry laws - a criminal decides to burglarize two empty houses instead of robbing a single person at knifepoint, the "crime rate" has increased, but I'd rather see a dozen cold burglaries than a single armed robbery.


22 posted on 12/28/2004 3:35:11 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: All

helped bernie goetz not be a victim


23 posted on 12/28/2004 3:36:16 PM PST by italianquaker (CATHOLIC AND I VOTE BUSH=MANDATE)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
They forgot to include:

"The consensus of the scientific community is that there is no credible evidence that aliens have ever visited Earth."

24 posted on 12/28/2004 3:36:54 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough (Sometimes you just have to stare, don't you?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Nothing states the methods used, the samples, the time period. On the other hand John Lott and others have huge volumes of research that show increases in CC lowers crime.

I know Lott and Kleck's work is genuine. What is this?

25 posted on 12/28/2004 3:37:08 PM PST by groanup (RATs are afraid of the light so spread a little sunshine.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

But on the other hand, there is absolutely NOTHING that even remotely suggests that crime went up among CCW carriers. So, it CCW carriers are not a problem, then why do anything to "fix" it?


26 posted on 12/28/2004 3:37:49 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: meatloaf; .45MAN; FreedomPoster; backhoe; Vigilantcitizen
So did rape in a Florida town that worked with women to familiarize them with firearms.

That was outside of Orlando in the '60's as documented in Paxton Quigley's book "Armed and Female."

Burglaries dropped exponentially in Kennesaw, GA after a law was enacted that each household *shall* contain a firearm, per John Lott's book "More Guns Less Crime."

Yet the NAS comes up with their own agenda-laden "facts." It's not hard to figure out who is funding their "scientific studies."

27 posted on 12/28/2004 3:38:06 PM PST by dansangel (Thank you Veterans past and present!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Like to hear the response of these neighbors in Hartford, WI - JPFO www.jpfo.org


28 posted on 12/28/2004 3:38:23 PM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The report, which examined a host of gun violence prevention measures including CCW laws, called for a comprehensive national effort to collect accurate data on gun ownership and gun violence incidents in order to evaluate the effectiveness of gun violence prevention measures. The National Academy of Sciences said researchers need accurate data on the number of guns manufactured and distributed, access to crime gun trace data, and more information on patterns of gun ownership and types of weapons owned in order to adequately assess policies to reduce and prevent gun violence

They need more evidence to adequately assess policies to reduce and prevent gun violence,
but they have enough evidence to declare that there is "no credible evidence" that CCW Laws decrease Crime ?

In the immortal words of James Traficant..."Beam me up Scotty..."
29 posted on 12/28/2004 3:38:26 PM PST by stylin19a (Marines - end of discussion)
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To: Melas

There you go, messing with their statistics.


30 posted on 12/28/2004 3:38:28 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
John Lott on the NAS report:

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/LATimesNASFirearms.html

31 posted on 12/28/2004 3:40:11 PM PST by groanup (RATs are afraid of the light so spread a little sunshine.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
A question I have (sorry - I only skimmed the article and perhaps I missed the answer) is: do they show a drop in 'violent' crimes in States that allow CCW?
I had heard that the crime rate in CCW States didn't drop, however they shifted from 'violent' crimes (e.g., rape, occupied house break-ins, assaults, etc) to crimes with low risk of an actual physical confrontation (e.g., car theft, burglary of unoccupied cars/houses, etc).
32 posted on 12/28/2004 3:40:29 PM PST by El Cid
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To: IronJack
Actually this report is being put out because the NAS has weighed in on the validity of Lott's interpretation of the data. Apparently even very pro-gun law professor Eugene Volokh thinks so: http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2004_12_14.shtml ... scroll down to December 17, 2004, or search for "lott".
33 posted on 12/28/2004 3:40:56 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

No, but I'm willing to bet the authors of the study don't subscribe to "The American Rifleman" and they don't read the section about the "Armed Citizen."


34 posted on 12/28/2004 3:41:25 PM PST by get'emall (Whatever happened to Preparations A through G?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
As you know, this is totally bogus information.

In 1982, Kennesaw, GA passed an ordinance REQUIRING every home to have a weapon: they now enjoy a crime rate 75% BELOW the national average...see Armed and Secure .

35 posted on 12/28/2004 3:41:36 PM PST by lodwick
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I don't suppose they also discovered that 10 years of Clinton's Assault Weapon Ban had absolutely no positive effect on crime?


36 posted on 12/28/2004 3:41:40 PM PST by Nachoman
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To: Melas
You hit on a good point that the article doesn't mention and it does jive with John Lott's research. Dr. Lott postulates violent crime decreases (assaults, rapes, personal robbery etc.). Non-violent crime increases (stealing from homes and businesses while no one is around).
37 posted on 12/28/2004 3:42:33 PM PST by Mean Daddy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It's a Constitutional Right to Carry Arms, regardless of any stupid study. I think that we should all carry and then find out how many criminals were eliminated by Peace Loving Citizens who protected themselves.

There was a time in this country when EVERYONE carried a weapon on his hip, why should it make a defference now. The Sheriff appreciated a helping hand and even enlisted Posse's to track down the Criminals. We have become to beauracratic about this. We have the right to bear arms, concealed or not. Law abiding Citizens don't become lawless just by strapping on a Colt on their hip. Having a pistol on your hip certainly doesn't mena your looking for trouble, but it does mean you you have the ability to protect yourself, just like it always has.


38 posted on 12/28/2004 3:42:33 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This Just It:

A new report released from the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), "Swimming," found "no credible evidence" that bathing increases wetness.


39 posted on 12/28/2004 3:42:42 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Finally, an article nailing you fascist, pistol-packing, 2nd Amendment quoting thugs. Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah! Go tell it sisters! :) Denote sarcasm before hitting the Report Abuse button.

I'd say crime has decreased significantly in these areas.


40 posted on 12/28/2004 3:42:48 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a conservative.)
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