"Les-bian Mi-ni-ster...Les-bian Mi-ni-ster..."
Don't blame me, I loaded up on sugar before I signed in and I'm not in control of my actions.
At any rate, good to see the Methodist Church applying standards. Let's pray they remain strong.
Posted on 12/26/2004 10:13:59 PM PST by kattracks
A Methodist minister who was defrocked for declaring that she is a lesbian living with her partner is taking her case to a church appeals court.
The Rev. Irene Stroud, of Philadelphia, was ousted Dec. 2 for violating the United Methodist Church's law against "self-avowed practicing homosexuals" in the clergy.
Ms. Stroud decided last week to appeal, but delayed the announcement until after Christmas weekend. Notice of appeal must be filed this week.[snip]
She said one factor in her decision was something retired Bishop Joseph Yeakel, the judge who presided at her church trial, said to her after the verdict. Bishop Yeakel told Ms. Stroud "the day will come when the church apologizes for this decision."
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The case originated last year when Ms. Stroud announced her same-sex partnership in a sermon. At the trial, an all-clergy jury voted 12-1 that she was guilty of violating Methodist law. In a subsequent penalty phase, jurors voted to defrock her by 7-6.
Ms. Stroud is one of three homosexual clergy members tried since the Methodist General Conference passed its homosexual ban in 1984. The Rev. Rose Mary Denman of New Hampshire was defrocked in 1987, and the Rev. Karen Dammann of Washington state was acquitted last March.
Philadelphia's First United Methodist Church of Germantown has continued to employ Ms. Stroud as a lay worker.
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Fair enough, if that's what you believe, that's what you believe. Personally, I wish christians would be more up front about these things. It would be easier to ensure that my daughter never becomes one, and easier to convince my wife to leave the church.
My family landed in Norfolk and settled on the western side of Richmond. Not far from where I live today.
Er...that was in the late 1600s, early 1700s.
I've learned of this very interesting history of the Huguenots, only in the last 5 years or so. A true pity what has become of the country of Calvin.
Well, to the Huguenot's credit...they left...
Also another point - the Methodist broke with some other church's rules to create themselves. Then the created innovation by ordaining women - and now they are upset that the "mutation" continues?
I used to think Paul's statements about not allowing female clergy were simply his opinion, and only applicable to the church of the first century. However, it seems more often than not that the liberal downturns in churches today seem to be spearheaded by women clergy.
Well I hope your daughter does find Christ and finds a Christian man who believes that he is to love her more than his own body, and that all things in the marriage are his responsibility. Talk to any woman with a God centered husband who behaves as God would have him and he can tell you what she will be missing out out....
Yeakel needs to have his ass defrocked, too.
I'm not going to jump on, but would like to gently point out that you spelled "Faulkner" incorrectly on your profile page.
Rules about who can be what in the Christian clergy were outlined in several Ecumenical Councils of the Church.
Mea culpa. I'm so ashamed. I have many teachers who're hanging their heads in shame.
"Les-bian Mi-ni-ster...Les-bian Mi-ni-ster..."
Don't blame me, I loaded up on sugar before I signed in and I'm not in control of my actions.
At any rate, good to see the Methodist Church applying standards. Let's pray they remain strong.
I found it most troubling that the first vote was 12-1 but when it came to enforcing it, it was only 7-6. They are cowards. Or more accurately, at least 5 or 6 are hypocrites.
Acts 18: 24Meanwhile a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures. 25He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor[b] and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.
Compare that with 1 Timothy 2:12 I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.
There's definitely more than one way to do that comparison. It is very possible to translate woman as "wife" and man as "husband."
That would mean that Paul didn't like wives henpecking husbands.
Uh... this is the United States of America, not Afghanistan. You know, freedom of religion and all that. It doesn't affect me if a denomination does or doesn't accept female ministers (mine doesn't). Or lesbian ones. How is this a political issue at all?
She said one factor in her decision was something retired Bishop Joseph Yeakel, the judge who presided at her church trial, said to her after the verdict. Bishop Yeakel told Ms. Stroud "the day will come when the church apologizes for this decision."
And soon after that we just may see Judgement Day.
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