You're wrong, Mr. President (Guest workers)

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 12/26/2004 | Colin McNickle

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

President Bush says he wants to revamp an immigration system that is "not working" and is "not compassionate" through a program that can't work and would be anything but "compassionate" to Americans forced to pick up the tab.

During his end-of-the-year news conference, the president formally revived his expanded "guest worker" proposal first laid out as a set of "principles" a year ago. But the Bush plan is quite unprincipled and, by any other name, another in a long line of amnesty programs. Bush confidante and former Montana Gov. Mark Raciot disputed that characterization to me during the fall campaign. But that's exactly what it is. And it will do what amnesty programs do best - fail.

Details of the president's plan go to Capitol Hill next month. Mr. Bush wants to allow illegal aliens - up to 8 million if not more - to hold jobs here "legally" by issuing "temporary worker cards." American workers would not be hurt, the president insists; these legalized illegals would fill jobs that U.S. firms supposedly can't fill.

Not only will the administration proposal "take the pressure off" Border Patrol agents who should be "chasing crooks and thieves and drug runners and terrorists," the president said these illegals are innocuous, "good-hearted people." All they want to do is "put food on the table...Family values do not stop at the Rio Grande River."

But apparently common sense does.

[FBD]

'NOT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS COME HERE TO WORK '
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1292334/posts

[FBD]

Three questions to ask the pro-guest worker politicians, and Open Borders Lobbyists; to which I guarantee they will obfuscate their reply:

You talk about "jobs that Americans will not do."
Q: How is it that these jobs are done by Americans in states with low illegal immigration rates?

Q. You talk about allowing the free market to work.
-Why not apply this principle to the jobs "Americans will not do," and allow the free market to bid up wages for American workers?

Q. How do you propose to pay for the education, and health care for the families of foreign workers who will do "the jobs Americans will not do"?

[El Gato]

'NOT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS COME HERE TO WORK '

Undeniably a true statement. It's also true that most do come here to work. A legal "guest worker" program would most likely making sorting out the two sorts much easier.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Two million prisoners inhabit our prisons. However, according to the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, DC, an astounding 30 percent of those prisoners constitute illegal aliens at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.

That adds up to 600,000 foreigners ripping off taxpayer dollars as prisoners sit in our cells during their incarceration period.

[FBD]

I disagree.
Criminal aliens of which there are over 80,000 being sought in the US, are being encouraged to sneak into the US.

Only a secure border with a barrier (a wall) will stop illegals from walking across our borders.

The cocaine smugglers (8 tons found last year in the possession of illegal immigrants crossing the border)and other criminal illegals are not going to register.

[FBD]

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

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[FBD]

You probably already have this stat, I'll post it to you for others to see.

"There are an estimated 80,000 criminal illegal aliens in the country, which are people who have committed crimes in the United States and are due for deportation but remain at large. An estimated 4,000 of those criminal illegal aliens are from countries that support terrorism."

Source: Lou Dobbs
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/13/immigration.bill/index.html

[El Gato]

Q: How is it that these jobs are done by Americans in states with low illegal immigration rates?

Mostly they don't get done because no one can afford to pay enough to get any inner city or rural "poor" Americans off the welfare roles to do those jobs. They also tend to be states where there aren't as many low skilled jobs that can be done by the undereducated. Picking crops for example.

In other places there is good supply of Puerto Ricans or others from "distressed" areas where the people are nonetheless American citizens.

[El Gato]

Nothing that you've said about more secure borders would be affected directly by a legal guest worker program. We had such a program during WW-II for example. Where our borders insecure then?

[FBD]

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[TheDon]

Rep. Tom Tancredo makes some good points. Unfortunately the American people just don't agree.

Pop quiz: What is the second largest economic sector in Mexico? That's right, after oil, it is income from laborers in "El Norte". Americans pay for these workers, therefore they want them here. To say otherwise is to deny the last 30 years and the illegal workers who are here in the millions.

[TomGuy]

And they are bringing in more than a burning desire to clean toilets at Holiday Inn:

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[Poundstone]

Bush is 100 percent wrong on immigration.

As for the "impossibility" of properly policing our border with Mexico, can anyone doubt that we would get the job done if it was publicly, unambiguously known that Al Qaeda was using the border to infiltrate terrorists into the US?

The sad fact is, AQ is almost certainly doing this now!

[FBD]

Guest worker programs would require payment by the employers to pay into the SSI for them. One of the reasons employers hire illegals is to avoid paying the 7.5% FICA, and workers comp. How do propose to stop that?

Also, non-citizen guest workers can collect from our Social Security, after only 18 months of paying into it, when they "retire" in their country of origin.

So, not only deos the guest worker program not help the illegal hirings, it will exacerbate our SS deficit.

[Paperdoll]

For the life of me I've not been able to put my finger on why GWB wants to give illegal aliens a hand up by softening border vigilance other than regional government with Mexico and Canada until this morning.

Since the American birth rate has been falling, could this be a method to save Social Security by inviting a foreign population growth - But at what other sacrifice, Mr. President?

Perhaps the better way to pave the way for more revenue is to outlaw abortion, and to close our borders!

[FBD]

we didn't have tons of illegal drugs coming across our borders after WWII.

Nor did we have 4,000 illegals coming across (in AZ alone)per day. I believe the Mexican govt is encouraging their undesirables to come into our country, so they don't have to deal with them.