[El Gato]

Q: How is it that these jobs are done by Americans in states with low illegal immigration rates?

Mostly they don't get done because no one can afford to pay enough to get any inner city or rural "poor" Americans off the welfare roles to do those jobs. They also tend to be states where there aren't as many low skilled jobs that can be done by the undereducated. Picking crops for example.

In other places there is good supply of Puerto Ricans or others from "distressed" areas where the people are nonetheless American citizens.

[FBD]

Guest worker programs would require payment by the employers to pay into the SSI for them. One of the reasons employers hire illegals is to avoid paying the 7.5% FICA, and workers comp. How do propose to stop that?

Also, non-citizen guest workers can collect from our Social Security, after only 18 months of paying into it, when they "retire" in their country of origin.

So, not only deos the guest worker program not help the illegal hirings, it will exacerbate our SS deficit.

[FBD]

>"They also tend to be states where there aren't as many low skilled jobs that can be done by the undereducated. Picking crops for example."<

- Probably the only area where an argument can be made for guest workers might be in farm harvesting, fruits and vegetables, mainly.

But slavery states made the same arguments that the cotton and sugar crops couldn't be grown without slave labor.
Well...our cotton and sugar cane industry is doing very well without slave labor, isn't it?
And it's all because of the mechanization of harvesting.
Guest worker programs mask the true cost of farm harvesting, by subsidizing the workers through various welfare programs.

Migrant workers are getting free heath care, schooling for their kids, etc. Add all of those to the cost of your cheap head of lettuce, and all of a sudden, it's not so cheap, is it?

[usadave]

Mostly they don't get done because no one can afford to pay enough to get any inner city or rural "poor" Americans off the welfare roles to do those jobs.

If you cut Americans off from their welfare, minimum wage would be enough to get them to do these jobs (unless they choose to starve instead of working).

[radicalamericannationalist]

"Mostly they don't get done because no one can afford to pay enough to get any inner city or rural "poor" Americans off the welfare roles to do those jobs. "

Are you honestly claiming that lawns do not get mowed, children are not watched, cars are not washed, janitorial crews are not staffed and buildings are not built in states with low illegal immigration rates? Such a claim can most charitably be called absurd.


"In other places there is good supply of Puerto Ricans or others from "distressed" areas where the people are nonetheless American citizens."

So in other words, illegals do take jobs away from Americans.