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1 posted on 12/22/2004 10:11:16 AM PST by metalmanx2j
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They would find the answer if they read Zell Miller's book. However, I'm kinda glad that they've dismissed him as a wacko and not paying attention to it.


2 posted on 12/22/2004 10:12:50 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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GOP Has Lock on South, and Democrats Can't Find Key

Well, certainly not in liberal NE senators...

3 posted on 12/22/2004 10:13:05 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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Now tell me again how Hillary is going to get elected president?


4 posted on 12/22/2004 10:20:51 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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My dad was a democrat because his dad was a democrat because his dad was a democrat because Lincoln was a Republican.

What these idiots don't realize is that with the rise of an independent thinking black middle class, many of those blue counties will be turning red.

5 posted on 12/22/2004 10:22:55 AM PST by wolfpat
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The Dems will be unable to recover many of these lost voters, because there was a significant percentage of Southern whites who voted Dem simply because their family "always voted Democrat", and had done so for generations. The Dems went SO far Left this time, that even these eyes-tightly-shut legacy voters finally had to admit to themselves that the Democrat party was no longer "their father's Democrat party". With the veil lifted, the Dems will not recover these voters without shifting positions on nearly every racial issue, gun issue, and religious issue, which they will never do. (They may promise to do so, and it may work for one election, but it would never work a second time. Southerners are not known for quick forgiveness on major issues they hold dear.)


6 posted on 12/22/2004 10:30:13 AM PST by Teacher317
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"Opposition to the new civil rights laws...powered the first wave of GOP gains in the South. "

One would wonder why racists would flock to a party that more solidly backed the end of Jim Crow than. After all it was Eisenhower that really accelerated the process of integration.

In truth, the 1960's were exactly 100 years after the Civil War. People who could never bring themselves to vote for Lincoln's Party, because of granddad losing a leg at Antietam were dying off. Time heals all wounds. Simultaneously, 100 years of being able to take the Southern vote for granted, had turned the Democratic Party into an alien creature to most Southerners.

The more the DNC pulls out the scapegoats, the farther they will fall. Its best to just smile and wave at them.
8 posted on 12/22/2004 10:32:07 AM PST by SampleMan ("Yes I am drunk, very drunk. But you madam are ugly, and tomorrow morning I shall be sober." WSC)
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His overwhelming performance left Sen. John F. Kerry clinging to a few scattered islands of support in a region that until the 1960s provided the foundation of the Democratic coalition in presidential politics.

Well, in fact it played a factor in Klinton's, Carter's, and LBJ's elections. This is an attempt to say that all southern bigots left the party and went to the GOP, and thus have not had any influence since 40 years ago. Well, Klinton grabbed southern states as short as 8 years ago and when Reagan was president there were over 18 senators from the south that were democrats.

9 posted on 12/22/2004 10:40:39 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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22 in 1964 —ironically, the election in which the white backlash against the Civil Rights Act allowed the GOP to make its first inroads into the South.

No matter how many times Public Radio says this, it won't ever be true. The truth is, the average southerner was never this bigoted, it was the Lester Madduxes and Bull Connors, all Democrats, who imposed their racist views on everyone else. And they've been pitched out forever by people voting for Republicans.

11 posted on 12/22/2004 10:53:06 AM PST by spudsmaki
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It's always about racism. The libs can't get away from it. We voted for Bush because we're a bunch of angry racists.


12 posted on 12/22/2004 11:02:49 AM PST by bobjam
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As a native of Charlotte, now living in exurban Union County, I find this analysis most interesting, and generally on the money.

I'm old enough to remember when just about the only GOP wins in the South were at the Presidential level, when the Dem candidate was viewed as unacceptably leftist (McGovern, for example), and a few isolated Senate and Gubernatorial wins, mostly in the "Outer South" as opposed to the Deep South, and usually during Presidential election years, with the assist of coattails. Generally, these Republican wins were cobbled together with a combination of mountain votes (many parts of the Southern Appalachians retaining Union -- and GOP -- sentiments from the War Between the States) and suburban votes. Often, the GOP victors were moderates, sometimes actually running to the left of their Dem opponents, particularly on racial issues. Howard Baker of Tennessee was one such example.

The changes since the '70s are nothing short of amazing. Generally speaking, Southern Republicans have maintained their strength in the mountains, even with more conservative candidates. Southern suburbs/exurbs continue to vote strongly Republican, and the good news is that the population growth of that demographic has been staggering. Counties surrounding Charlotte, Nashville, Atlanta, etc. are among the nation's fastest growing, and they cranked out 70%+ numbers for W.

Still, the biggest change has been that Bubba is now a Republican, at least at the Presidential level, often at the Senatorial and Congressional level, and increasingly all the way down the ballot. The Yellow Dog has become an endangered species.

As amazing as the GOP Southern gains have been, progress seems frustratingly slow to the more impatient among us. It's still tougher to take the Governor's mansion in most Southern states than it is to take a Senate seat, because Senate races can be nationalized. The thought of Hillary or Teddy taking control of Senate leadership positions is a powerful incentive to Bubba to vote GOP; it's more difficult to make a case against a Dem Governor, particularly one who tries to disassociate himself from the national Dem ticket.

And progress at the State Legislative level has been slow in some Southern states, as well. There remains something of a vicious circle mentality: people are reluctant to vote for candidates who will be in the minority in the State Assembly, and the GOP will be in the minority in many Southern State Assemblies until voters perceive that the GOP will become the majority party. But, as we've seen in some Southern states already, there comes a "tipping point." We're close in NC. A few more seats, and the GOP controls re-districting, the only thing that keeps the Dems on life support. In my judgment, it's only a matter of time before the GOP is dominant all the way down the ballot in most of the South.

13 posted on 12/22/2004 11:11:54 AM PST by southernnorthcarolina (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. )
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Shelby County, Alabama went for the President by an 81-19 margin. Earlier I posted a story by Russ Feingold referring to Greenville, AL. He said that it was the reddest place on the map. I disagree; it's Shelby County, AL.


14 posted on 12/22/2004 11:14:56 AM PST by Radio Free Tuscaloosa (God Bless...America!! - Adm. Jeremiah Denton)
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A big thank you to my redneck bretheren and sisteren (?) from a gracious swamp yankee. There are a lot of us up here counting on you all!


15 posted on 12/22/2004 11:17:18 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT (UConn Hoops. Patriots. Red Sox. Bush. Anyone need me to root for a team?)
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If you want to know the real reason the Democrats are loosing ground in the South, look at their declining support of the military. Republican gains in the South have little to anything to do with racism- it's about national defense. It's no secret that the South is very strong in its support of the military. In the two world wars, the South provided much more than its fair share of soldiers and sailors in all ranks. This carries over to elections.

Since the days of FDR, the South has always gone for the stronger defense candidate:

1948: Truman was the man who dropped the bomb and did not hide his hatred of Communism. He won the South.
1952 and 1956: The South began abandoning the Democrats when the GOP ran Supreme Allied Commander Dwight Eisenhower against the agademic egghead Stevenson
1960: Kennedy the young war hero demolished Nixon in the South. Kennedy won Georgia by a bigger margin than Mass.
1964: Barry Goldwater, lampooned for his brinksmanship approach to defense, took the South.
1968 and 1972: two socialist peaceniks had no chance against Nixon in the South.
1976: The SOuth split between the less than effective Ford and the southerner claiming to support the military.
1980: Carter's claim to be pro-defense had turned out to be a load of garbage and Carter paid the price at the Southern ballot box
1984 and 1988: two more anti-defense peaceniks get demolished in Dixie
1992 and 1996: a "new Democrat" southern governor with a shady role in the anti-war movement wins only 4 Southern states in each election. He ran against bona-fide war heros each time.
200 and 2004: another pair of anti-defense peaceniks get their a$$es handed to them in the South.


17 posted on 12/22/2004 11:24:02 AM PST by bobjam
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"GOP Has Lock on South, and Democrats Can't Find Key"

That's one way to phrase it. I like to put a finer point on it:
Democrats have trouble in the South because they can't defeat the GOP's "combination lock". The combination could be written on a Post-It note and tacked right next to the safe, but they'd choke every time the combination required them to "Turn to the Right".

19 posted on 12/22/2004 11:42:37 AM PST by Charles Martel
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The reason is patriotism. People in the South still love America.


23 posted on 12/22/2004 5:35:57 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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The REAL reason: The South still believes in moral living.

The Dems will never win as long as they are the "anything goes" party.


25 posted on 12/22/2004 8:05:07 PM PST by Cedar
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John Kerry and his "Spitball Brigade" are going to "report for duty" and become "southern" during the next race. The Dems have completely lost the south .... I must take exception however, with the author trying to sell race as the primary motivating factor for a southern voter. Brownstein tries to implicity paint the south as a racist bunch who care only about racial issues. This is all garbage. The south's move to the GOP is about values. It is due to the Dems removal of God from our schools, gay marriage, weakness on defense issues, tax and spend policies, ridiculous political correctness, anti-Christian filth, blame America first, gun control (codeword for ban), weak on crime attitude... just to name a few. The Dems just don't get it. God bless the South!!


27 posted on 12/22/2004 9:32:29 PM PST by CurlyBill (The difference between Madeline Albright and Helen Thomas is a mere 15 years.)
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Ping!! A good read!


28 posted on 12/22/2004 9:34:04 PM PST by CurlyBill (The difference between Madeline Albright and Helen Thomas is a mere 15 years.)
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The DUmmies are wishing that the South would break off from the rest of the nation. As long as the DNC keeps nominating elitist snobs like Kerry, the RATS will never make any inroads with Southerners.


33 posted on 12/23/2004 4:44:49 AM PST by Kuksool
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Someone needs to 'splain the donks that France is not the moral compass of the free world.


34 posted on 12/23/2004 4:57:38 AM PST by Nick Danger (Want some wood?)
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