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Exploding the Self-Esteem Myth
Scientific American On-Line ^ | January 2005 | Roy F. Baumeister, Jennifer D. Campbell, Joachim I. Krueger and Kathleen D. Vohs

Posted on 12/21/2004 3:08:58 PM PST by shrinkermd

SUMMARY: Boosting people's sense of self-worth has become a national preoccupation. Yet surprisingly, researchshows that such efforts are of little value in fostering academic progress or preventing undesirable behavior.

People intuitively recognize the importance of self-esteem to their psychological health, so it isn't particularly remarkable that most of us try to protect and enhance it in ourselves whenever possible. What is remarkable is that attention to self-esteem has become a communal concern, at least for Americans, who see a favorable opinion of oneself as the central psychological source from which all manner of positive outcomes spring.

The corollary, that low self-esteem lies at the root of individual and thus societal problems and dysfunctions, has sustained an ambitious social agenda for decades. Indeed, campaigns to raise people's sense of self-worth abound.

Consider what transpired in California in the late 1980s. Prodded by State Assemblyman John Vasconcellos, Governor George Deukmejian set up a task force on self-esteem and personal and social responsibility. Vasconcellos argued that raising self-esteem in young people would reduce crime, teen pregnancy, drug abuse, school underachievement and pollution. At one point, he even expressed the hope that these efforts would one day help balance the state budget, a prospect predicated on the observation that people with high self-regard earn more than others and thus pay more in taxes.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: bunk; education; esteem; mentalhealth; myth; psychology; science; self; selfesteem
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To: Joe Bfstplk

There is a huge diffrence between pride and self esteem.


21 posted on 12/21/2004 3:37:26 PM PST by John Will
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To: Americanwolf
I think it all depends on how you achieve self-esteem.

Through personal responsibility or success.
Rather than merely wishing it were so.
Actualization is earned not requested.
Ill-gotten amour propre is as useless as a walking stick when hunting Lions.
22 posted on 12/21/2004 3:37:30 PM PST by Compos mentis (Caveat lector)
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To: Noachian

Right on. I've never bought into the self-esteem bunk--ever, we've raised three kids. I've been a Scoutmaster for many years. The thing that I tell the kids is to "DO good and you'll feel good" (there's a VERB in that quote). I can't think of any other way to say it.

Scriptures tell us that Jesus said to "put everyone before us". HUH?? Gee, THAT ought to confound them--good stuff! But then again, hardly anyone believes the Bible anyway so I'm just wasting breath there.


23 posted on 12/21/2004 3:40:14 PM PST by brushcop (American first, last, always--no hyphens here.)
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To: shrinkermd
"The War Against Boys"
by Christina Hoff Somers

An excellent read that completely debunks not only the self-esteem cult, but also the feminazi claim that girls are being left behind. The truth is that boys are falling dangerously behind in large part because of the anti-male cult.
24 posted on 12/21/2004 3:44:07 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: shrinkermd

bttt

read later


25 posted on 12/21/2004 3:44:53 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Compos mentis

What you said...:)

I agree the false self esteem used by school boards etc...

Boosting grades so no one "fails" etc does no service to the child later in life when he/she faces the reality that there are times in life that you do fail... it is that failure and the subsequent recovery that truely build the self esteem... On of the great teachers of that...IMHO... Was for me the Navy... The are experts at breaking you will and self esteem in boot camp and then making you work to prove that you can over come an obstacle...


26 posted on 12/21/2004 3:45:07 PM PST by Americanwolf (Diehard Packers Fan...Cheap hit on Ferguson 12.19.04 by Donvan Darius... No Christmas card for him!)
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To: dirtboy
Mine involves declaring myself the only true conservative while labelling everyone else as a communist, a RINO or a right-wing nutbar

My self esteem is based on my accomplishments. I am proud of my service with 3rd Ranger Battallion and the decorations awarded to me. I am proud of my prowess as a lifelong martial artist and swordsman. I am in absolute awe of my skills as a motorcyclist. My failings (prison, divorce) I take the DU approach and blame someone else.
27 posted on 12/21/2004 3:52:22 PM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: shrinkermd
Some findings even suggest that artificially boosting self-esteem may lower subsequent performance.

Bingo! The key word: artificially.

28 posted on 12/21/2004 3:56:22 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: speed_addiction

"My failings (prison, divorce) I take the DU approach and blame someone else."

hahaha...I was reading the other stuff you wrote and was thinking "man, he is full of himself"...

thanks for the laugh...


29 posted on 12/21/2004 3:56:58 PM PST by dakine
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To: shrinkermd

I believe in self-respect, the kind that must be earned by conducting oneself in a way that benefits society, not detracts from it.


30 posted on 12/21/2004 4:01:38 PM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: brushcop
The thing that I tell the kids is to "DO good and you'll feel good"

I've found that children feel the best about themselves when they set out to accomplish something (whatever that may be) and follow it through until it's done.

It's something that carries over into adulthood, and helps shape a person's character.

31 posted on 12/21/2004 4:02:11 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: Veto!
Self esteem is an interesting thing--it's the direct appreciation of oneself.
The flip side of the coin is arrogance.

A BIG mistake people often make is considering a natural gift as an accomplishment, like beauty, natural brains or talents. HAS to be EARNED, with SOME effort, or it's pretty worthless.

32 posted on 12/21/2004 4:06:05 PM PST by starfish923
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Self esteem, self actualization,self realization, self image, self love, self ad nauseum. The problem is self. Exaltation of self. Some one, years ago said, "Deny self, take up the cross and follow me." Just until after the Christmas holidays, try taking your eyes off of self. See if that works. See Philipian 2:3.


33 posted on 12/21/2004 4:11:07 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: speed_addiction
Most of the men I ever met in prison had a low opinion of themselves.

Probably with good reason.
34 posted on 12/21/2004 4:12:56 PM PST by Logophile
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To: shrinkermd
Myth. Haw.

Somethings you have to dissect to find the flaw. Somethings you have peel off a couple layers before the BS becomes apparent. But somethings, as soon as you hear them, sheer commonsense reflex brings laughter to the lips and a clod in the hand to heave at the speaker.

35 posted on 12/21/2004 4:36:39 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Couldn't agree more. I believe it to be the original sin that is in each of us...the Self before G--. It's been the source of endless misery in the world, whether it is the path followed directly (radical individualism, indulgence, gratification, etc.) or indirectly (pursuing worldly power in the name of your G--, i.e., Islamofascism).


36 posted on 12/21/2004 4:36:40 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: shrinkermd
Self-esteem is useless.

Self-respect is priceless.

37 posted on 12/21/2004 4:54:04 PM PST by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: JmyBryan

"Teachers generally should supply encouragement. They need not worry about self-esteem."
Please consider that the teachers come from educational programs, and most of them have seen their brighter and higher achieving classmates go into more demanding programs at college and graduate levels. Thus there might be in teachers a well earned inferiority complex. If so, how could they provide any self-esteem that is not bogus?


38 posted on 12/21/2004 5:53:41 PM PST by GSlob
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To: shrinkermd

In Orthodox Christianity, self-esteem is one of the Eight Grevious Vices cataloged by St. John Cassian in a
work under that title which is included in the first volume of The Philokalia. (The other seven are familiar to Western Christians under the name 'Seven Deadly Sins'.)

The vice of self-esteem tends to make one mired in it uneducable (particularly in spiritual matters, but in my experience in academic matters as well).


39 posted on 12/21/2004 6:10:46 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was)
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To: Clemenza
I think the main point is that self-esteem is something EARNED through hard work and good work, not "given" to us by limp-wristed teachers and counselors.

I disagree. Here's how I would word it:

I think the main point is that SELF RESPECT is something EARNED through hard work and good work, and self-esteem is "given" to us by limp-wristed teachers and counselors.

40 posted on 12/21/2004 6:15:39 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberalism has metastasized into a dangerous neurosis which threatens the nation's security)
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