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I really felt sorry for those boy in the show. The look on there face. Do I really half to do this crap. Or were do I grab her next....

A no win situation. If you win. You beat up a girl. If you lose. You got beat by a girl.
Some just take a dive.

Is this the message we want to teach boys? It’s OK to throw girls around?

One sad note from the update page:
After joining her high school wrestling team and still not being allowed to practice with or wrestle against boys, Tara decided to leave the team. In 2004, Tara and her boyfriend Andrew had a baby daughter.

Still in school and haveing a kid.

One interesting thing. As I was watching this show. One of my daughters who is a senior in HS ( wrestling is a Very big thing in our school) came in a watched the show.

And I asked her if there’s any girls at our school who want to go out for this. And she said No.
As a matter of fact she said the teem was even trying to recruit some girls for the lower weight classes. So when they went to matches. The other teem would half to forfeit because there was no one in that weight class and the teem would get the points.
They found no takers.

To bad we got some good healthy farm girls ( and I don’t mean fat) around here.
Heck my one daughter here can pickup and fling a 80 lb. bale of hay. ( and goes deer hunting too)

1 posted on 12/19/2004 12:59:24 AM PST by quietolong
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To: quietolong

When I took judo as a teenager, I had to throw/get thrown by girls. When I took martial arts as an adult, my practice opponents were often women. I don't see the big deal, but I'm sure there will be plenty of opinions.


2 posted on 12/19/2004 1:03:20 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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I really felt sorry for those boy in the show.

Looked at the picture. She's not Rosie O'Donnell. From the looks of it, I might have actually have gone out for wrestling if they'd done this in my day. In fact, I know I would have.
3 posted on 12/19/2004 1:05:38 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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We had a girl wrestler on our team when I was a Junior. She was quite and athlete and although she was into the girl power thing, she was very christian and very conservative as well (I attempted to date her the next year but thats another story).

Anyway, She was our 103 Lb wrestler. why is that? She beat the guy trying to be the 103 lb wrestler (a freshman who ended up placing 5th at states 4 years later). She was strong, 103 lbs was very close to her natural weight. We got into some tournaments later in the year and she didnt have to cut weight, could run forever and was very strong for a girl. In her matches, she showed that she was stronger than the guys she was wrestling!!!

It isnt a sexual thing on the mat, it is one on one. Anyone seeing the girl for being a girl and not just as another competitor is wrong on all counts. The girls can hang, if given a chance. At least that is my experience.


4 posted on 12/19/2004 1:06:07 AM PST by MikefromOhio (22 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hotdogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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I think you mean "team".


6 posted on 12/19/2004 1:07:42 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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besides at 13-14 years old, they shoudl allow the kids to cut weight anyway. at least that is the way they did it at my high school in Ohio. If you were under 16, you werent cutting weight. You either bumped up and beat the guy in the weight class above you or you wrestled JV....


7 posted on 12/19/2004 1:10:30 AM PST by MikefromOhio (22 days until I can leave Iraq and stop selling hotdogs in Baghdad....and boycotting boycotts)
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in my impersonation of Austin Powers:

Yeah Baby!

15 posted on 12/19/2004 1:34:18 AM PST by monkeyshine
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GIRL WRESTLER: Should girls and boys should be able to wrestle on the same mat?

Given how much gripping and touching is involved (though it is not sexual) in wrestling I do see how this could be allowed right now given this country's lawsuit happy laywers and how high the risk a sexual harassment lawsuit, or sexual assult case would be presently.

17 posted on 12/19/2004 1:42:02 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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Women will rue the day they tried to train men to view them as competitors.


18 posted on 12/19/2004 1:42:41 AM PST by Nick Danger (Want some wood?)
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laywers = lawyers


19 posted on 12/19/2004 1:42:42 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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I would say no in a competitive situation.

When my wife and I were dating 35 years ago, we wrestled all the time. My children wrestled all the time as they were growing up. This was FUN and TICKLING each other and so forth. FWIW, I do not support this. Further, I do not support women in the military if they are there to hunt husbands. Military is to execute WAR COMBAT solutions.

20 posted on 12/19/2004 1:43:24 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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Hey - Sarah Michelle Gellar, who has a martial arts black belt showed even girls can take on big guys. If you've seen her on Buffy you know what I mean.
22 posted on 12/19/2004 1:44:03 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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I wrestled in high school but would NOT have wanted to wrestle a girl. If you've ever wrestled, you know your hands have to go wherever you can get a grip. If that's through the crotch and under the thigh or back, to help you get a cradle to pin your opponent, that's what you have to do--and your opponent is squirming, "bridging" (raising their shoulder blades above the mat by using their neck muscles) -- all this is normal and fine in the heat of the moment and is not sexual in same-sex matches. You put coed opponents in there, and you throw a HUGE new set of dynamics in there. Real wrestling is rough and hands are everywhere. Girls shouldn't be in the ring with boys. We had "Wrestlerettes" who cheered us. Sexist? No. Gender-appropriate. I didn't go out for Powderpuff Football, either, honey.


24 posted on 12/19/2004 1:51:46 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (REMEMBER THE ALGOREAMO--relentlessly hammer on the TRUTH, like the Dems demand recounts)
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THis is a big deal -- I couldnt' hit a woman, my mind would stop my fist. School kids with the same mindset will keep losing to the girl


25 posted on 12/19/2004 1:59:37 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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Is this the message we want to teach boys? It’s OK to throw girls around?

The boy should wrestle to win - beating down a girl is better than being beaten down by a girl, if you ask me. If she wants to compete, he should give her everything he has and not worry about where to grab her, etc. Just beat her (if he can).

And may the best athlete win, in any case! :-)

31 posted on 12/19/2004 2:22:22 AM PST by HitmanLV (HitmanNY has a brand new Blog!! Please Visit! - http://www.goldust.com/weblog -)
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My son's last year wrestling was 4 years ago, but we saw exactly what you're talking about several times. I think your summary of the issues is pretty good.

In many cases, wrestlers would forfeit rather than wrestle a girl. I really is just a bad deal all around.


42 posted on 12/19/2004 2:58:38 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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The on the same mat structure of the headline is absolutely stupid. No one, to the best of my knowledge, is saying that girls wrestling girls and boys wrestling boys have to do it on different mats. The issue is not the same mat, the issue is should girls and boys be wrestling each other. That awkward structure was chosen to spin the issue...begging for that 'of course they should be allowed to wrestle on the same mat' response.

From semi personal experience, I say no. I was far to big, but one of my good friends had to face a girl. He was 123 at the time I believe. He agonized over it for several days...very seriously considered throwing it. He eventually decided to just go and do his best like any other opponent. He pinned her at about 45 seconds. She then accused him of 'inappropriate touching' with claims he was fondling her. I felt so sorry for him.

55 posted on 12/19/2004 3:23:52 AM PST by blanknoone (The two big battles left in the War on Terror are against our State dept and our media.)
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A no win situation.

That depends on what the definition of “win” is.

60 posted on 12/19/2004 3:32:14 AM PST by SkyPilot
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When I was in highschool around50 years ago, nothing would have tempted me more to join the wrestling team than to get to wrestle a girl. Actually I think it's pretty funny, the weaker sex wanting to wrestle a man, what on earth?


68 posted on 12/19/2004 4:06:38 AM PST by garylmoore (God Bless you W, you have prevailed.)
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I'm not kidding when I'd say I'd be concerned about of "aspects of male sensitivity" here. I'm sorry, but as I see "close contact sports" with a lady, well, there shoudn't be any witnesses. I coudn't...wouldn't do it in public.

To sum it up, I feel it's completely unfair and innappropriate. You can't just "stop" wood, people...

"Think about baseball...No! Think about Hillary...No...Helen Thomas in a tanga...Helen Thomas in a tanga....1-2-3-PIN!!!"

I'm just not a "modern" guy...

71 posted on 12/19/2004 5:02:37 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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I remember the first time I lost at wrestling with a girl.
She got me in a scissor grip.

I lost every wrestling event with a girl after that. Always in the same move.
I am a slow learner . :)

73 posted on 12/19/2004 6:00:21 AM PST by Vinnie
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