Costco policy bans guns!

OFCC Action Alert (email alert) | 12/14/04 | KimRife

[KimRife]

Saw enough "Costco" Topics here, figured there would be some interest: Received this from Chad Baus of OFCC yesterday:

The following was sent to OFCC - writer isn't a CCW-Talker, but said I could post this sans his name:

Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:27:56 -0500 Subject: Costco To: info@ofcc.net

Hello,

Costco as a CPZ yesterday. I also e-mailed them to find out why. I am forwarding their response.

Thanks, XXXXXXX

>From: customerservice@costco.com >Subject: RE: Warehouse Questions or Suggestions [APZ2004120900003499] >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:47:42 -0800 > >To reference this e-mail in the future, please make >note of the tracking number listed in the subject >heading. This message may be monitored for quality >assurance. >--------------------------------------------------- > > >Dear XXXXXXX, > >Thank you for e-mailing Costco Wholesale. > >I am sorry but that is a corporate wide policy sent >down from our CEO. > >Thank you. > >Sincerely, > >Elizabeth H. >Member Service Phone Agent >ext.1716 >customerservice@costco.com > > -----Original Message----- >From: IMCReply >Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 9:20 AM >To: Elizabeth Hovanes >Subject: Warehouse Questions or Suggestions > >Note this message was submitted through the costco.com >web site customer >suggestion page on 12/9/2004 12:00:00 AM at >09:19:10.1535192. >==================================================== >Comment/Suggestion/Request/Question Text: > > I went to your store in Mayfield Heights, Ohio >yesterday. I noticed that a sign prohibiting concealed >weapons permit holders from bringing their weapons into >the store. Is this a corporate policy? Do >you do this >in other states that allow concealed carry? Ohio is one >of forty five states that allow it. Ohio law requires >individuals with these permits to take extensive >training and undergo background check. >These are not the people you should worry about. A >person with criminal intent will ignore that sign. I am >also a member of BJ's and Sam's >Club. Neither of them >have posted these signs. If this sign stays up, >I will not be renewing my menbership. > >I have forwarded this information to the Ohioans for >Concealed Carry >website. They will place your store in >the "do not patronize" list. >=====================================================

It would be GREAT if anyone in a state OTHER THAN Ohio, would stop by the Costco nearest you next time you are in the area. See if they have a sign. If yes OR no post it here, or e-mail me at:kkacer@catlover.com with the address sate and your zip code (I can find the store zip that way and makes it easier for you).

And if anyone would care to let Costco know what you think: Member Services: 800-774-2678

Web address: http://www.costco.com

Costco's corporate mailing address is: PO Box 34331 Seattle, WA 98124

Costco's corporate offices are located at: 999 Lake Drive Issaquah, WA 98027

Have at.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Correction: "I Texas" should read "In Texas."

[NJ_gent]

"As the saying goes, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.""

So essentially you carry a concealed gun wherever you go regardless of the laws? Do you carry it into airports and on airplanes?

[Petruchio]

Signs, signs, I don't care about no stinkin sign.

Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?

[conservative_2001]

Under Ohio law a business does have the right to prohibit people from carrying firearms inside their establishment. If you violate it, you're violating the law.

Costco has the legal right to keep law-abiding gun owners out of their stores. Law-abiding gun owners have the right, and maybe even the responsibility, to avoid the Criminal Protection Zones and take their business elsewhere.

[Poohbah]

As the saying goes, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

If you don't like his rules, do not go onto his property. Are you simply hard of thinking, or did you take a graduate course in missing the point?

[dmz]

LOL.

You're not there all the time, 'cuz I know you're out shopping at Costco with your gun in tow.

You may be the only person on the planet interested in taking a picture of my a$$. I don't know whether to be grateful or kinda scared.

And you're perfectly within your rights to put up that no trespassing sign, but, of course, I'm under no obligation to respect it.

[Auntie Dem]

So essentially you carry a concealed gun wherever you go regardless of the laws? Do you carry it into airports and on airplanes?

So you would march like a sheep into the showers?

Don't be stupid--airports are one place they (mostly) do the gun ban thing right.

Judging who is fit to exercise which rights is a hobby of the lunatic left. They think they are the only ones who can be trusted with freedom, even if they have to take it from everyone else. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your point of view) in this society, we generally only punish people and limit their freedoms after they have abused that particular freedom. In your utopian society you apparently want to punish people before they abuse a freedom, in case they might do something bad.

[Auntie Dem]

And you're perfectly within your rights to put up that no trespassing sign, but, of course, I'm under no obligation to respect it.

And thus proves the value of signs.

[sausageseller]

Why then do you approve replacing 'blacks' with "gun owners".

Why then should we not have laws that give the same protection "blacks" receive to gun owners?

[Calpernia]

>>>I need to take off the glasses and put on the fedora.

[NJ_gent]

"Respect is a two-way street--unless you're a liberal."

Temper tantrums belong in the domain of children.

"most customers would vote with their feet if they knew the store"

Putting a sign up doesn't tell the customers what they need to know to make educated decisions? I could understand if this policy were something slipped into the fine print of their membership agreements (which still shouldn't slip past anyone, but which is slightly more shady), but they're posting a sign for everyone to see.

"The stupidity, the utter stupidity of some people thinking a sign will prevent someone from carrying a gun into their store"

Are you saying that if we were to poll 100 gun-carrying customers in the area where these signs have been posted at the stores, that not a single one would say they no longer carry a gun inside? I'd suspect that at least 90 of them would say they've complied with store policy or that they no longer shop there.

"I would support any private business banning guns if they did it right, by installing metal detectors and a fool-proof procedure to guarantee no guns got into their store."

So now this no longer has anything to do with rights or gun-grabbing Nazis, but rather with the fact that they're not doing a good enough job of enforcing the policy you claimed to hate? That's one heck of a shift in position. "I hate gun-grabbing Nazis unless they're efficient and thorough" If you don't like the policy, don't shop there. Otherwise, you're disrespecting their property rights, and seem to be encouraging people to damage the store's products. That's both childish and leftist, and just the type of thing that anarchists do when they get together at the lefty anti-IMF protests.

[Poohbah]

Hah! Their pot-bellied, nearly blind "security" couldn't spot an AR-15 on the shoulder of a turban-wearing terrorist.

I worked my way through college as one of those guards. Thank you for the gratuitous slam at those who work for a living; it really helps make your case.

And yes, I would complain if they nabbed me. They'd be told they are nothing but gun-grabbing Nazis.

And then you'd be ejected from the store. I've dealt with people who called me a Nazi because I wouldn't uphold their "right" to "free speech" on my employers' property. They still got ejected. If you don't like the store owner's rules, don't patronize his store, end of story.

Stores should be careful about making such policies in areas where a large part of their customers believe in the 2nd amendment--people might suddenly find they've become clumsy, and start knocking items off the shelf (accidently of course).

You know, there's really not that much difference between you and the loony leftists who "accidentally" start fires that burn up SUV dealerships and new construction homes in "environmentally sensitive" areas. You both feel perfectly justified in destroying others' property to make your point.

NEWS FLASH: THE UNIVERSE DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND YOU, AUNTIE.

[Auntie Dem]

Under Ohio law a business does have the right to prohibit people from carrying firearms inside their establishment. If you violate it, you're violating the law.

In God's country where I live, only the state can regulate guns. A private property owner can make a policy against guns, but they can't make it a crime to violate their policy.

As I've stated previously, even if I violated a law, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. There's always jury nullification. Most people are capable of knowing when "...the law is an ass..."

[Auntie Dem]

They're not grabbing anything at all.

Yeah, well if that bulge they grab is not my gun they'll have bigger problems than worrying about losing cutomers because of a stupid sign.

[NJ_gent]

"So you would march like a sheep into the showers?"

So now I'm a Jew marching into a gas chamber because I respect the rights of property owners to decide who brings what onto their property.

"Don't be stupid--airports are one place they (mostly) do the gun ban thing right."

So you're in favor of gun bans unless you're able to sneak one in - then it's a bad gun ban? Fascinating.

"In your utopian society you apparently want to punish people before they abuse a freedom"

In my utopian society, everyone would respect the property rights of everyone else. 'Tis a shame that some have such blatant disrespect for the rights of others.

[P-Chan Penny]

Nope. Costco Wholesale is a Stock Holders owned company. COST is the symbol. We get confused with COSCO all the time.

[NJ_gent]

"Why then do you approve replacing 'blacks' with "gun owners"."

I don't, and that's not what the policy does.

"Why then should we not have laws that give the same protection "blacks" receive to gun owners?"

I'm against any law which puts one group of people into a specially-protected group under the law.

[Protagoras]

other than camo overalls with OD T-Shirts but it ain't easy to convert a redneck.

If you wear that to a wedding,,,,,, you're probably a redneck. If you wear that to,,,,,,,,, Oh never mind.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Where?

[P-Chan Penny]

I said I didn't want to see firearms in my store and I stand by that statement. A concealed weapon should stay concealed unless needed. Period.