Costco policy bans guns!

OFCC Action Alert (email alert) | 12/14/04 | KimRife

[KimRife]

Saw enough "Costco" Topics here, figured there would be some interest: Received this from Chad Baus of OFCC yesterday:

The following was sent to OFCC - writer isn't a CCW-Talker, but said I could post this sans his name:

Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:27:56 -0500 Subject: Costco To: info@ofcc.net

Hello,

Costco as a CPZ yesterday. I also e-mailed them to find out why. I am forwarding their response.

Thanks, XXXXXXX

>From: customerservice@costco.com >Subject: RE: Warehouse Questions or Suggestions [APZ2004120900003499] >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:47:42 -0800 > >To reference this e-mail in the future, please make >note of the tracking number listed in the subject >heading. This message may be monitored for quality >assurance. >--------------------------------------------------- > > >Dear XXXXXXX, > >Thank you for e-mailing Costco Wholesale. > >I am sorry but that is a corporate wide policy sent >down from our CEO. > >Thank you. > >Sincerely, > >Elizabeth H. >Member Service Phone Agent >ext.1716 >customerservice@costco.com > > -----Original Message----- >From: IMCReply >Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 9:20 AM >To: Elizabeth Hovanes >Subject: Warehouse Questions or Suggestions > >Note this message was submitted through the costco.com >web site customer >suggestion page on 12/9/2004 12:00:00 AM at >09:19:10.1535192. >==================================================== >Comment/Suggestion/Request/Question Text: > > I went to your store in Mayfield Heights, Ohio >yesterday. I noticed that a sign prohibiting concealed >weapons permit holders from bringing their weapons into >the store. Is this a corporate policy? Do >you do this >in other states that allow concealed carry? Ohio is one >of forty five states that allow it. Ohio law requires >individuals with these permits to take extensive >training and undergo background check. >These are not the people you should worry about. A >person with criminal intent will ignore that sign. I am >also a member of BJ's and Sam's >Club. Neither of them >have posted these signs. If this sign stays up, >I will not be renewing my menbership. > >I have forwarded this information to the Ohioans for >Concealed Carry >website. They will place your store in >the "do not patronize" list. >=====================================================

It would be GREAT if anyone in a state OTHER THAN Ohio, would stop by the Costco nearest you next time you are in the area. See if they have a sign. If yes OR no post it here, or e-mail me at:kkacer@catlover.com with the address sate and your zip code (I can find the store zip that way and makes it easier for you).

And if anyone would care to let Costco know what you think: Member Services: 800-774-2678

Web address: http://www.costco.com

Costco's corporate mailing address is: PO Box 34331 Seattle, WA 98124

Costco's corporate offices are located at: 999 Lake Drive Issaquah, WA 98027

Have at.

[Protagoras]

BTW. I smoke, drink, carry, and dress crappy.

I've been meaning to talk to you about that last one.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Sometimes I wear safari pants and golf shirts with a .45 in shoulder holster, and stand around in front of houses on Christmas without a jacket to look very threatening. But only every now and then.

[Conspiracy Guy]

My better half has worked hard to get me to wear things other than camo overalls with OD T-Shirts but it ain't easy to convert a redneck.

[NJ_gent]

"Why should I respect his property rights?"

I don't know, why should you respect anyone's property rights? Why should you respect the law? Why do anything?

Because civil participants in a non-socialist/communist nation recognize the rights of all others to be secure in their person, property, and possessions. If you want to enter their private property, you play by their rules. If you choose not to, they have every right to toss you off their property and call the police if you create a problem.

[Sender]

Costco already lost my business when they gave millions to the Kerry campaign and MoveOn.

[Calpernia]

>>>>and stand around in front of houses on Christmas without a jacket to look very threatening.

Threatening? You? Never :)

[Conspiracy Guy]

menacing?

[Petruchio]

Can't offer any input here. I'm from NJ. Only legal way to carry a gun is to dismantle it into parts and store the pieces separately in the trunk and glove compartment. :P

I am in Iloinois. The only legal way to carry a gun here is to be in another State!!

[Auntie Dem]

Would you complain if their security removed you from the property for violating their rules (assuming they post the signs)?

Hah! Their pot-bellied, nearly blind "security" couldn't spot an AR-15 on the shoulder of a turban-wearing terrorist.

And yes, I would complain if they nabbed me. They'd be told they are nothing but gun-grabbing Nazis.

Stores should be careful about making such policies in areas where a large part of their customers believe in the 2nd amendment--people might suddenly find they've become clumsy, and start knocking items off the shelf (accidently of course).

[Calpernia]

>>>I am in Iloinois. The only legal way to carry a gun here is to be in another State!!

So you are as vulnerable as me, huh?

Maybe we need a nice set up golf clubs? The unarmed man's/woman's iron?

[Calpernia]

>>>menacing?

Not at all.

[retrokitten]

Exactly. And as the Costcos I am aware of aren't in the "best" neighborhoods, I'd suggect Wal mart ;) Er...ChinaMart, whatever ;)

Interesting. In our neighborhood it is the opposite. Sams Club are in the lower income areas and Costco is usually near the very upscale (re: freakin expensive) neighborhoods.

The Costco is clean and neat. The Sams Clubs looks like people have just gone crazy knocking stuff off the shelves and throwning the merchandise around for no good reason. It's slightly more to get the Costco membership, maybe that is why.

I know people complain about the CEO of Costco giving money to the dems, but I've never seen any bias left or right. They carry Anne Coulters books right next to x42s autobio right next to Sean Hannity's books right next to Michael Moore's crap.

Everyone can shop where ever they please, but I just think if we were to boycott everything that didn't 100% lean right we would be living next to the Unibomber's shack making our own clothes out of bark.

[Conspiracy Guy]

I need to take off the glasses and put on the fedora.

[Auntie Dem]

Come to think of it, I'd probably drop trou and do it myself given your attitude about property rights.

Make sure you smile for the cameras, so we have a before and after picture of your big brown eye.

Before the buckshot, and after.

If I get removed from a store for "violating" their property rights, you get "removed" from my property on a stretcher, for violating my property rights. BTW--NO Trespassing.

[NJ_gent]

"They'd be told they are nothing but gun-grabbing Nazis."

They're not grabbing anything at all. They're simply saying that if you want to enter their private property, you may not do so while carrying a firearm. If I decide that I don't want guns in my house (fat chance of that), do you feel you have the right to sneak guns in anyway? Your personal freedoms are limited while you're on the property of another person.

"Stores should be careful about making such policies in areas where a large part of their customers believe in the 2nd amendment--people might suddenly find they've become clumsy, and start knocking items off the shelf"

That's pretty childish. I suspect that if this is that much of an issue for people, they'll see many customers flocking to other stores where this policy is not in effect. If someone is caught purposely knocking things off shelves, I hope they're tossed off the property with their membership revoked sans refund.

[Auntie Dem]

Well, it doesn't. His property rights trump your right to free speech, too. If you don't like it, don't go on his property.

As the saying goes, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

[Doctor Stochastic]

I Texas, they could charge you with criminal trespass. Texas law doesn't seem to think your wish to carry a gun automatically allows you to enter someone else's property.

[Chemist_Geek]

people might suddenly find they've become clumsy, and start knocking items off the shelf (accidently of course).

Your admitted disrespect of other peoples' property just gets deeper and deeper.

It's no wonder people want to restrict gun nuts... My enemies I can handle, but Lord help me with my allies.

[Seeking the truth]

Does Costco have the right to control access to their property?

Can Costco not allow blacks access to their property?

Can Costco not allow homosexuals to their property?

Can Costco not allow Catholics to their property?

Can Costco not allow Republcans to their property?

This "Freedom" thing gets a bit confusing at times!

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[Auntie Dem]

I don't know, why should you respect anyone's property rights? Why should you respect the law? Why do anything?

Respect is a two-way street--unless you're a liberal. The whole idea of civil disobedience was started by the looney left, and now they think they are the only ones who can exercise that right.

Ultimately, most customers would vote with their feet if they knew the store had no respect for their rights--all of them. The stupidity, the utter stupidity of some people thinking a sign will prevent someone from carrying a gun into their store would be laughable if the consequences were not so serious.

I would support any private business banning guns if they did it right, by installing metal detectors and a fool-proof procedure to guarantee no guns got into their store. Anyting less is just liberal crap thinking.