Can it be done?

I read a lot of posts on FR where members express their views about how unhappy they are with the current situation in many areas.

I am wondering if there is serious support for an action plan organization that could change the way politicians tend to look at us voters. I am fed up with them bowing and scraping to us only for our votes when their election rolls around. These pork bills come out of our wallets! I'm positive they believe we have the shortest term memories anywhere in the world.

At election time we get a truckload of hollow promises and lots of self agrandizing stories about how much backbone they have. When we were upset about the President boosting Senator Arlen Spector up enough to guarantee his re-election, did anyone listen?

When the Senator was scared about not being selected for the top spot on the Judiciary Committee, he got on national TV to feed us a line of bs that would have made LBJ proud. So, we got on the faxes and phones until Bill Frist's office was overloaded with calls saying,"Keep him out of that chair!"

What were the results of signing the petitions, the emails, faxes and phone calls? Zip, nothing at all, he almost came out and said, "Voters, the Presidential election is over, your views once again do not have any value here in Washington. We will do what we want to do, so screw you!" So, some more hollow promises about how good the RINO Senator will be and that he wouldn't step in the way if President Bush wished to appoint a truly conservative judge, after all the Senator is a Republican!

Then we have the INTEL Bill that had some effective immigration laws attached. The President begged the Senate to remove them, they did. Then he started in on Congress. What did they do? They removed them too, giving us some more hollow promises about what they will do at the beginning of the year to correct the illegal immigration problems here in America.

Just how stupid are we? If they haven't done a damn thing that can be considered worthwhile in the past four years, what makes you think the tiny zebra is going to change its stripes and become a beautiful 18 hand Morgan stallion in 2005? What will be pushing them to pass some effective immigration laws in the 1st quarter of 2005?

What would you think about starting an organization that will tell all State and Federal elected officials that we are demanding a B+ or better rating to qualify for the list you will all use for your personal voting decisions at every election from now on.

I have selected three issues I consider to be vital to reinstate our American culture. Issue#1 Support for the 2nd Amendment (Molon Labe)

Issue#2 Support for bringing a rapid halt to the illegal alien invasion from all countries, not just Latin America. This would of course include a drastic reduction in taxpayer supported benefits for all foreigners. The removal of all who are not citizens or do not have authorization to be on American soil. Strong support for a Bill that would bring a halt to automatic American citizenship for babies delivered by a woman who does not have the proper permission to be on US soil.

Issue#3 Support for removing the United States from the United Nations and the removal of the United Nations from our soil. I want to see the dissolution of every treaty we have ever made with the UN because a treaty has one purpose and that is to reduce the sovereignty of a sovereign country.

The U.S. Supreme Court invited world opinion into its consideration of capital punishment. When a foreigner commits a felony on US soil we should ask the International Court of Justice what the punishment should be.

How many of you know that the words "progressive" and "socialist" are goals of communism. Yes the US Communist Party was protected once again last year from having to make their donor list public. Should this be happening under a Republican Senate, Congress and a Republican President? I don't think so!

If our leaders think this is the way that we want our government to operate (behind our backs) then one day they will find the US Marines will be aiming their rifles at them and that is not the end of the barrel you want to be looking at Senator! Or men such as myself will be chained, on our knees waiting for the shot in the back of the head while the rest of you walk in lockstep with Patriot Act II.

Our President keeps sorry Democrat buggers like Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Minetta in his cabinet. Minetta, who think pilots should not have guns in the cockpit would rather see 80 year old women felt up by security guards at the airports. Say what you will but there is serious problems in the Republican Party and serious problems amongst Republican voters who accept these policies. Looking at this poll there is 20% who aren't happy with President Bush's choice of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General? Other polls show that 80%+ are not happy with the way he and Congress are handling the immigration invasion.

I want us voters raise the standards of we will accept, not humbly fall in line with what the politicians say we are allowed to have. If 10% of the voters decide to start an action plan organization that tells the legislators what grades they will need for re-election, I think it could have a serious effect on when and how closely they listen to us.

I never realized that this subject had AIDS or whatever disease it is that is keeping people away.

From the number of replies that this thread and the other one received it looks like the majority of FReepers seem to be against any form of creativity and/or innovation for an action plan to correct our loss of authority over our "employees" that we select for high governmental positions.

As our personal freedoms and liberties continue to wither and our leaders aim for a designed dictatorial form of government under the United Nations directory I am almost certain that the realization of what they permitted will come far too late to be correctable.

Let me say, I am glad to be with the 50 or so of us who are on the 'other side' and not supporting the eventual collapse of America.

Where did FR's 'Fight to keep the Republic free' go to? Wherever it is, I guess it's gone, I should probably go back to occassional lurking instead of fooling myself.

When a thread about "E-Dating Bubble Springs a Leak ^" gets 324 replies and 5,396+ views I think it's obvious where the this forum is headed.

Take care, hoping you all have a very Merry Christmas.

People are already growing very afraid of their government.

The town of Aptos, CA has been targeted by the Santa Cruz county government for a high density redevelopment effort. They have been holding the communist style "charettes" to inform the public, which of course they don't.

When I bring a map of the proposed development to business and homeowners in the area, they seem to be afraid to talk to me about it or even have an opinion. I try to explain that the county wants to be able to create an "employment village" out of Aptos, changing from a fairly low key small town type place to a very urban, dense mixed used city where people have to ride the train instead of use their cars. I try to explain to business owners that the residents of the housing development will use their customer parking because the developer is getting paid a bonus to not put in enough parking. I try to explain that the county will then be able to regulate what business you can run or own in the urbanized core of Aptos, and that that isn't how a free society operates.

I think people are in denial to the extent which our freedom has been compromised and to which our government has been corrupted. I think thats one of the problems.

I've concluded that my own personal strategy to address very similar concerns is to switch my affiliation from the Republican Party to the Constitution Party...

I just read a highly informative book by Hugh Hewitt, If It's Not Close, They Can't Cheat and I learned a few things that were difficult to accept but which nonetheless are correct. For example, ONLY MAJORITIES COUNT! Sometimes, in some places, only the RINO can get elected. If you have the majority, you control the agenda. That means if you have a strong incumbent like Specter, you help him get reelected, even if you just KNOW he's gonna stab you in the back, someday. Because the minority party is almost powerless.

If you have enough of the conservatives in your corner, you can keep the others in line. But to do that, you can't let your extremists (of which I am one, I admit) run the party because they scare other folks away. If we let the Republican Party be fractured instead of working within the infrastructure, we're going to end up exactly like the Democraps. They are the party of disparate minorities who bicker amongst each other for prime seats to the table. Look, read the book. It's awesome.

...it looks like the majority of FReepers seem to be against any form of creativity and/or innovation

I've started several replies and then checked them each time. Because I'm supportive, I'll try one more time and actually submit my comments here. Furthermore, I think FR is a good forum for expressing these suggestions, as well. In addition to the group you're proposing B4, I like many of the Patriot and Constitution party tenets, as well.

Because the Christian right (I think incorrectly) believes that religion is the main key to solving the problems that have been pushed on us by the left, I would caution everyone on the language in the platforms of any new organization relating to Biblical law. We have lost our value for truth and meaning in political language. This is central to all of our travails. The Christian right, in ways that can be manipulated by big business and other external influences stumbles toward a solution to that primary threat through religion. But because many good Christians and their supporters who believe that government is a source of tyranny rather than a defense against it, both the Patriot and Constitution parties fall short in this respect. These positions should be stated such that it can never be construed that reason and persuasion are trumped by subjective Christian dogma in the construction of American law. The Founding Fathers feared religious partisanship as a divisive threat to the state; we should fear it as well, but come up with new forms of defense against new, pagan religions such as secular humanism and the spiritualism of the new environmentalist movements. These "new" belief systems are equally a threat to a government maintained by reason, truth, and justice. And their appeals to the people come in much the same way that partisan appeals to religious dogma came to Europe in the dark ages.

Understanding the historical context in which the founding fathers established the American constitution is important, and it is that law that positioned us for the first civil war. Any second one would find its roots there, as well; certainly the culture war we face now is rooted in the dashed hopes the founding fathers had that the American people would maintain their ethical roots. The unholy grail of diversity and our media's and educational institutions' vulnerability to post-structuralism and post-modernism were problems the founding fathers either didn't anticipate or couldn't adequately avert. Both pitfalls have been central to the religious-like inclusion of secular humanism in our government. If we could define humanism correctly as a religion, we could find new ways of defending ourselves with the law. While the founding fathers were students of the Enlightenment, they were not (I would argue) humanists. They did not believe that human nature was necessarily good. In fact, the checks and balances introduced by our constitution as well as the obliteration of the notion of divine right in leaders were both based on the notion of human corruptibility.

We are responsible for maintaining the same level of statesmanship that they had. Without it, America will decline. The DNC and the RNC have abandoned the need for statesmanship and have fallen prey to corruption; clearly the DNC is much worse, but we must not settle for second best. As long as the RNC continues to take the view that America can sustain unlimited immigration and retain its culture, it is party to the destruction of this country's stability from within. As long as it takes the view that gun control is a necessary evil, as for example do Schwarzenegger, Pataki, and Giuliani, the RNC is party to the sort of tyranny Thomas Jefferson said needed to be rooted out periodically. As long as our schools -- any public schools -- are venues for environmental extremism (as opposed to conservationism), the homosexual agenda, and the Gramascian array of anti-Enlightenment socialist principles, the RNC is guilty of appearing different while in effect remaining the same.

We can't expect everyone to agree with us. We can't expect to agree with each other on everything. For example, I believe privacy is Constitutional and limits exactly what the government can or should do. But I think we all agree that the DNC needs principled opposition rather than procedural and issue by issue disagreements that devolve into petty bickering and trading of tits for tats. Some of those tats involve the future of this country.

The recent intelligence bill vote should suggest to all Americans that no one in Congress or the Senate can be trusted. The RNC's majority is less of a victory than we hoped if it can't translate to real change.

I want to join you all in pushing for real change, not just the cosmetic, RINO variety.

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