Posted on 12/07/2004 1:04:39 PM PST by dead
"She really strikes me as a kind, sensitive woman. How truly compassionate of her to support offering anaesthesia to the baby before they butcher it. This article and this woman makes me want to puke."
There is simply no way to square this circle, no matter how the abortionists twist and turn it. This article has nothing to do with "moral complexity" and everything to do with strategy. It's like the 'rat atheists trying to quote scripture, all of a sudden, to the Red Staters.
Actually, it should be required by state law, for abortions at a stage where the fetus is capable of feeling pain. State laws do not allow inhumane methods of euthanizing unwanted or sick animals.
I think it's safe to assume that PP buys low-end for all types of equipment. It is a non-profit which tries to keep the cost of all its services as low as possible. The high end ultrasound equipment is a big price hike from the basic stuff, which is quite sufficient from a medical standpoint.
That's because you are killing a person, Frances.
Again, it boils down to them thinking "It's not what we say, it's how we say it. If we say it differently, we'll win more people over."
Well said.
Thanks to FemiNazis, the unborn child has literally no protection in the womb, and is considered fair game by any and all saline/suction-wielding abortionists.
The USSC decision specfically states that under the equal protection clause of 14th Amendment, the unborn child is not considered a "person" and therefore has no legal rights under US law (14th Excerpt: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof......").
Roe v Wade author Justice Harry Blackmun wrote that "the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense" and are not entitled to constitutional protection until birth.
Here, Blackmun was aided by tenets of the Jewish faith, and possibly other faiths, who teach that life begins at birth, not in the womb.
However, the official right-to-life position is that life begins at conception. Pro aborts insist that laws built on those religious beliefs infringe on their constitutional right of freedom from religion, yet they rarely if ever mention that the concept of life beginning at birth is a religious belief.
FemiNazis made sure that Roe v Wade made the "Right to Choose" paramount. The mother's rights over the womb are absolute.....up to and including the ninth month of pregnancy. Most people believe that the court decision was based on the viability of unborn life, and that the court examined all of the existing information, then decided there was no viability. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I have had to force newspaper editors to retract editiorials on this aspect of the USSC decision.
The court based its decision on the fact that since religion and science could not decide (up to that time) when life begins, they didn't have to, either.
Blackmun wrote: "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer."
It appears the Roe Court (or some of them) actually believed that it wasn't possible to determine when the life of a human being begins. But, by not resolving this factual issue, the Court left unresolved the legal question regarding the rights of an unborn child. So, the need to provide an answer to that question is inescapable.
Cutting edge millenium technology offers proof positive that life begins at conception. The issue of when life begins is no longer a difficult question. Scientific and medical evidence proves, without doubt, that human life begins at the moment of conception and that the child is a complete, separate, unique and irreplaceable human being from the moment of conception throughout gestation.
Since 1973, advances in technology have allowed us to obtain new information about human life on a molecular level. This information resolves all doubts that abortion is the act of killing a human being and that this tiny human experiences pain even during early gestation.
At the time of the Roe v Wade decision, abortion was completely illegal in 33 states except when necessary to save the life of the mother. The remaining 17 states allowed abortion in various circumstances. The most permissive, New York, allowed abortion for any reason up to 24 weeks, though New York did not allow third trimester abortions for "emotional health" as required by the Supreme Court.
In recent years, the abortion right has been extended to partial-birth abortions (sometimes termed infanticide) so that a perfectly viable child in the birth canal, in the process of being born, can be aborted in a most gruesome way, if the mother so chooses.
Well, that or maybe there wasn't a clinic around the corner from their house, or maybe they had something else to do on Saturday afternoon. I mean, who are we to judge?
Exactly. You have another choice, don't try to change the doctrine of an entire religion.
Some how,I don't think the "Pro-Choice" crowd would support my choices.
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When you really piss off a unitarian they burn a question mark on your front lawn.... ;-)
I have always maintained that if most women could be present to observe the proceedure first-hand, they would be sickened. A baby is not a diseased tonsil, no matter how much the pro-abortion folks want you to believe it is.
Some years ago I lurked on an abortion post here which turned into mostly all women making the comments, and had I known how to make & save a link back then, I'd show it to you-- but lacking that, here is what I learned:
1- the age of children asking the dreaded question, "Mommy, what's an abortion?" has dropped from the teenage years in my era to 8 or even 6 years of age. That's horrid.
2- all the children thus informed were universally repulsed. Typical was "How can a Mommy do that to her baby?"
3- but the tale that really drew me up short?
One of our female members asked her toddler ( about 2 years ) "what was it like when you were in Mommy's belly?"
My skin still crawls at his answer...
"Wet..."
I suspect the answer is "no," but does anyone know if there exist meaningful statistics on the REASON for abortions? Specifically, I'd LOVE to see a figure on just how many women are at risk of dying if they don't get an abortion, or at risk of significant suffering.
I doubt any such numbers exist; after all, stats like this would have to come from the abortionists themselves, and a monster capable of hacking up or de-braining an innocent baby most certainly wouldn't have any qualms about falsifying records.
MM
From Our Lady's Warriors>Dissent>Dissenting Organizations
| Catholics for a Free Choice (CFFC) | Promotes artificial contraceptive "rights," including abortion. Their focus is the "intersection of Catholic teaching and public policy." Bishop Bruskewitz excommunicated those that belong to this group in his Diocese. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal. They have been condemned by the National Conference of Catholic Bishops (NCCB). |
Most Important Reason Given for
Terminating an Unwanted Pregnancy
Inadequate finances 21%
Not ready for responsibility 21%
Woman’s life would be changed too much 16%
Problems with relationship; unmarried 12%
Too young; not mature enough 11%
Children are grown; woman has all she wants 8%
Fetus has possible health problem 3%
Woman has health problem 3%
Pregnancy caused by rape, incest 1%
Other 4%
Average number of reasons given 3.7
Ping
Thanks, J. As I figured. All we hear from the pro-kill crowd is how it's about the safety of the mother. 3%. Sheesh.
MM
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