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Law Of Nature Excludes Homosexuality, Says Australian Physician
Narth ^ | August 9, 2004 | Narth

Posted on 12/07/2004 6:56:46 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

August 9, 2004 - An Australian medical ethics expert told an audience at a marriage conference recently that homosexuals are excluding themselves from marriage and family by refusing to join the great "circle of life."

Dr. David van Gend told the audience, "By its very nature, homosexuality has excluded itself. It has stepped outside the circle of life--the timeless, endless natural circle of male and female, parent and offspring."

He notes that the origins of homosexual behavior are complex, but "whatever its origins, the outcome of homosexuality is best understood as a very complex state of confusion over sexual identity."

Van Gend cites the National Health and Social Life Survey published in 1994 in the U.S. In this survey, 8% of the 16-year-olds thought they were gay--but, "significantly, that by age 18 only 4% still thought they were gay, and by age 25, only 2 percent still thought they were gay. What that means is that most sexual confusion in school children clears away if left to iteslf. It doesn't need therapy or counseling. It is a passing phase..."

CNSnews.com has more details on this story: "Homosexuals Are Excluding Themselves From Marriage, Family." The Thomas More Centre in Brisbane has posted a speech on homosexuality from a medical perspective by Dr. van Gend on its web site: Thomas More Centre.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: disorderedcondition; gayagenda; geneticdeadend; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; homosexuals; narth
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1 posted on 12/07/2004 6:56:46 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Bingo!


2 posted on 12/07/2004 6:58:29 AM PST by Peace Is Coming
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I have written about "gay marriage" on this site, and have pointed out some of the same things.

It's not whether "straights and gays are equal." It's whether men and women are not merely equal, but identical substitutes. Clearly they are not identical. They're a matched set!

I don't know a way to "remedy" that with legislation. Nor do I think that we should try!


3 posted on 12/07/2004 7:00:57 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
...8% of the 16-year-olds thought they were gay--but, "significantly, that by age 18 only 4% still thought they were gay, and by age 25, only 2 percent still thought they were gay.

Hmmm. And when does most "sex ed" occur in public schools? Curious, isn't it?

What that means is that most sexual confusion in school children clears away if left to iteslf. It doesn't need therapy or counseling. It is a passing phase

Not if our public schools can help it. Part of the sex-ed/homosexual agenda is to render this confusion permanent in as many of our children as possible. The public educaiton system must be destroyed.

4 posted on 12/07/2004 7:02:48 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: All; scripter; little jeremiah; Coleus; EdReform; ItsOurTimeNow
To read the CNSnews article: http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/archive/200408/CUL20040806.a.html

To listen to the recorded speech at the Thomas More Centre: http://www.tmc.org.au/Brisbane/talks/

It is recorded and made available for listening online. They are recorded as low bandwith mp3s.

Thought that you might want to see them. Somehow I overlooked this article.
5 posted on 12/07/2004 7:02:59 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

H2O-change the formula and it is not water anymore. Same as marriage.


6 posted on 12/07/2004 7:04:00 AM PST by loborojo (What the hell is a "Reagan Democrat"?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Van Gend cites the National Health and Social Life Survey published in 1994 in the U.S. In this survey, 8% of the 16-year-olds thought they were gay--but, "significantly, that by age 18 only 4% still thought they were gay, and by age 25, only 2 percent still thought they were gay. What that means is that most sexual confusion in school children clears away if left to iteslf. It doesn't need therapy or counseling. It is a passing phase..."

In other words, the recruiting of these youth's does not actually clear up sexual confusion, it instead freezes development at an adolescent stage that would pass were the children not abused.

7 posted on 12/07/2004 7:04:09 AM PST by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: cicero's_son
Maybe being gay is a sign of sexual immaturity.
8 posted on 12/07/2004 7:05:22 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

True, of course. Kids in school, if 8% are self identifying as "gay", are only doing so because they have been exposed to pro-"gay" propaganda. All the more reason for the lie that homosexuals are "born that way" to be debunked publicly, as loudly as possible, over and over again, until everyone knows the truth.

Let me and ItsOurTimeNow know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


9 posted on 12/07/2004 7:08:34 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: escapefromboston

Why would anyone choose to be gay? To make every facet of their life more difficult and akward? I dont know where that study is from, but many studies have concluded that the percentage of gay people is closer to 10%, with many more that are at least somewhat curious. You guys are just falling for a doctor with a pro-family, religious marriage agenda, in the same way over-the-top gay groups have an agenda


10 posted on 12/07/2004 7:10:37 AM PST by gwbistheman
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To: Tax-chick

bump


11 posted on 12/07/2004 7:10:47 AM PST by Tax-chick (Benedicere cor tuo! Quomodo cogis comas tuas sic videri?)
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To: escapefromboston
Maybe being gay is a sign of sexual immaturity.

It's possible. Who knows? What I do know is that the NEA, the gay lobby, and the institutional Left have a keen interested in controlling the sexual education of our children.

This will result, predictably, in more and more sexual confusion among kids...much to the benefit of the gay community.

12 posted on 12/07/2004 7:10:53 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: little jeremiah

Gay and sick are the same thing. I actually think it's a form of mental illness.


13 posted on 12/07/2004 7:10:53 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Of course it does. There could never be a genentic component to it because the behavior would just make the gene die out. Therefore, a gene does not exist. Its purely behavioral. There is tons of other data to prove this, but this is big example that goes to the heart of it.


14 posted on 12/07/2004 7:10:53 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

There are two points worth making, if only because any scientist such as this one should be well aware of them.

1) The NHSLS was not a longitudinal study. Therefore, it does not account for generational differences in homosexual identity reporting (or formation).

2) 8% and 2% is within the statistical margin of error of the relevant subgroups..

It's also worth noting that the percentages reporting identity, activity, and ongoing activity were higher for men than for women in NHSLS. It's best (more scientific) to give the respective figures for each sex rather than the combined average, IMHO.


15 posted on 12/07/2004 7:11:42 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Tolerance.


16 posted on 12/07/2004 7:12:51 AM PST by hawkaw
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To: cicero's_son
Yes, when we have groups like "One in Teen" counseling teens using adult homosexuals, then we'll see a passing phase made permanent. The Nashville News media including Channel Four ("Four the Family") did a puff piece on One in Teen and how troubled adolescents were "helped". It seems they risk being bullied or heckled at school.

I objected in letters to the editor but was rather alone.

The guidance counselor at Hillsboro High School in Nashville was handing out brochures entitled "Maybe I'm a Lesbian" and "Maybe I'm Gay". It seems that is the way we confirm young folks in their worse tendencies.
18 posted on 12/07/2004 7:13:48 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: gwbistheman

Why would anybody choose to have an affair? To make their life more difficult and awkward?

Why would anybody choose to be a prostitute? To make their life more difficult and awkward?

Why would anybody choose to be a drug addict? To make their life more difficult and awkward?

Why would anybody choose to be .... ad infinitum.


19 posted on 12/07/2004 7:14:53 AM PST by zook
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Interesting.....


20 posted on 12/07/2004 7:15:00 AM PST by wasp69 ("You're done, Rather! No more 'Divine Right of Kings'!" - Oliver "Buckhead" Cromwell (sorta)
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