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School Bus Driver Fired for Stem Cell Talk
Associated Press ^ | 12/2/04

Posted on 12/02/2004 3:56:16 PM PST by reportgirl73

GRAND ISLAND, N.Y. (AP) - An elementary school bus driver was fired after sharing a statistic she had read about embryonic stem cell research with students, then encouraging them to tell their parents about it.

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To: OwnershipSociety
Indoctrination implies propaganda. The truth of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is not propaganda, otherwise it would not be true. Jesus' truth transcends our fakery and pretension.

I had to do a Google search to refresh my memory, but I remember the Heaven's Gate mess. Marshall Applewhite and his band of followers were a sad lot, but I am free of the kind of slavery that affects any person who does not yet know the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Jesus offers the gift of His salvation to all. Will you accept His offer today? Today may be your last on this earth.

441 posted on 12/04/2004 1:49:52 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: OwnershipSociety

"You think I got a constituional right to NOT have that happen? HUH?!! You're damn right I do!!"

That's what you posted...it speaks for itself. It speaks of a disturbingly chilling lack of judgment especially when it comes to this case.


442 posted on 12/04/2004 1:58:26 PM PST by eleni121 (NO more reaching out!)
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To: OwnershipSociety; Mr_Mayor
Completely sidestepping the fact that you have no right to try and indoctrinate anyone, especially children, whenever you see fit with whatever you see fit.

At the root of all this is identifying the differnce between indoctrination and education.

What makes you so sure Mrs Mayors was doing the former?

For myself, I think the major difference is indoctrination tries to force a pupil to become what you want them to be, and education tries to liberate them to reach the potential that their Creator gave them. Thus they are mutually exclusive goals, and quite often at odds, as I beleive they are in this case, with Mrs Mayors being on the side of education.

443 posted on 12/04/2004 2:03:43 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear; The Mayor; Mr_Mayor

My appologies "Mr Mayor". I had meant to include "The Mayor" in this last post.


444 posted on 12/04/2004 2:10:43 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear

It doesn't matter. Using the children, who are captive on the bus, for an "educational" lesson is unacceptable. No matter how worthy the info or the motivations of the so called "teacher" may be. I stress "may be".

Just a word for you and the others. Do not try this with my kid or I will put a stop to it...right quick.


445 posted on 12/04/2004 2:13:54 PM PST by OwnershipSociety
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To: OwnershipSociety
It doesn't matter. Using the children, who are captive on the bus, for an "educational" lesson is unacceptable. No matter how worthy the info or the motivations of the so called "teacher" may be. I stress "may be".

Just a word for you and the others. Do not try this with my kid or I will put a stop to it...right quick.

Good gravy this discussion seems to have gotten your dander up! This latest post sounds like you have some bizarre objection to any education taking place on school buses (even algebra?).

And what's with the fixation on school bus captivity. Do you think kids are free to come and go in a regular class room? Or do you think that Mrs Mayors would stop the bus and not let any of the kids off unless they agreed or something?

446 posted on 12/04/2004 2:24:00 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear

That souns like the kind of argument I've heard about from DUmmys.

You seem incapable of logical thought. Are you saying that as a parent I would have no right to prevent a school bus driver from doing this with my child on board?


447 posted on 12/04/2004 2:27:05 PM PST by OwnershipSociety
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To: OwnershipSociety
That souns like the kind of argument I've heard about from DUmmys.

Association fallacy/Appeal to authority

Are you saying that as a parent I would have no right to prevent a school bus driver from doing this with my child on board?

Yes. Even as a parent you do not have the right to control everything that might said within your child's hearing. Such a right would ridiculously difficult to enforce, and would interfere with the rights of thousands of others.

You seem incapable of logical thought.

Your sensibilities on this matter appear to be in error. First of all, even apes are capable of some form of logical thought, and even some members of D.U. Though I infer you meant my ability was below normal (in order to lend emotional support to a losing argument). It is actually quite above normal, as almost anyone who knows me personally can confirm. I have always scored in the top 1 percent of standardized tests on logic, have a in B.S. Mathematics (because I was a lazy student; it was one of the easiest majors for me), and have ended up writing computer code for a living, with a particular flair for logical algorithms.

448 posted on 12/04/2004 2:44:16 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

You brought it up. How am I supposed to know why you think it's relevant?


449 posted on 12/04/2004 2:48:13 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: general_re
I just checked out your FReeper homepage. I realize I'm not familiar with all the latest lingo, but what does the bit about your Yahoo email address mean?

If you didn't want to answer this question when I originally posted it, why not just be a man and say so instead of acting so childish?

450 posted on 12/04/2004 3:41:28 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: OwnershipSociety
Just a word for you and the others. Do not try this with my kid or I will put a stop to it...right quick.

Follow along for one second, please. What are the odds that any of us on this thread would ever find ourselves driving the school bus that picks up your child? Why would you say something so angry and irrational? Did someone here threaten to find your child and talk to them about stem cell research whilst driving them to school in a yellow bus?

(Old Cracker looks around for hidden camera.)

Is this Candid Camera?

451 posted on 12/04/2004 3:51:36 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

If you'd rather not talk about the subject of this thread, then perhaps you should go elsewhere to find something that interests you. I'm sure there's a chat room somewhere where people are happy to discuss whatever random non-sequitur happens to pop into your head.


452 posted on 12/04/2004 4:12:06 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: general_re

It's not random and you know it, but if you prefer not to answer a straight forward question from an adult, then be my guest.


453 posted on 12/04/2004 4:15:47 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

It's got nothing to do with this thread, and you know it. If you have nothing else to say, be a man and walk away. Or don't - I really don't care. But I see no reason that I should simply play along now that you've abandoned any pretense of rational discussion. When you have a cogent, relevant point to make, drop me a line, otherwise go waste someone else's time.


454 posted on 12/04/2004 4:26:33 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: general_re

It was a question. I was just wondering what that thing about your Yahoo email count was all about. You put it on your homepage for everyone to see. Folks might think you're ashamed of it or something.


455 posted on 12/04/2004 4:37:15 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker; eleni121; All

wanna see Mrs Mayor?
http://www.wgrz.com/video/vplayer.aspx?aid=6682&bw=
This is a video clip from the 6pm news

Mr Ramming still lying through his teeth insisting my wife quit.
I cannot wait to meet him and have a discussion about this issue.
I am still wondering where Mr Jack Burns is. He is the one that fired my wife.
Coward


456 posted on 12/04/2004 4:41:52 PM PST by The Mayor (If Jesus lives within us, sin need not overwhelm us.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
Why do I give a damn about what "folks might think"?

See ya.

457 posted on 12/04/2004 4:52:15 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: Mr. K

What about tort reform? You really want someone to have the right to sue an employer?


458 posted on 12/04/2004 4:58:23 PM PST by Wayland
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To: The Mayor

Just saw the clip and Jul spoke eloquently, calmly, and from the heart.

It seems apparent that Supt. Ranning is desperately covering his tracks and lying about the events that transpired while covering up for someone.

But who is Dr. Mel Gibson? I know the talking heads are not the brightest people going but come on...there is only one Mel Gibson and brilliant filmmaker though he is, last I heard he does not have a doctorate in medicine.


459 posted on 12/04/2004 4:59:01 PM PST by eleni121 (NO more reaching out!)
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To: Mr. K

This is one of many reasons why the feds should stay out of "tort reform."


460 posted on 12/04/2004 5:01:02 PM PST by Wayland
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