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Marines Find Alleged Iraqi Torture Chamber
Yahoo!News ^ | December 2, 2004 | KATARINA KRATOVAC

Posted on 12/02/2004 12:31:28 PM PST by Kaslin

FALLUJAH, Iraq -Down a steep staircase littered with glass shards and rubble, U.S. Marines descended Thursday to a dark basement believed to have been one of Fallujah's torture chambers. They found bloodstains and a single bloody hand print on the wall — evidence of the horrors once carried out in this former insurgent stronghold.

"We had sensed that there was a pure streak of evil in this town, ever since the first days of engagement here," said Maj. Wade Weems.

The basement, discovered while Marines fought fierce battles with Fallujah insurgents last month, is part of the Islamic Resistance Center, a three-story building in the heart of this city 40 miles west of Baghdad.

Maj. Alex Ray, an operations officer with the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said all evidence indicates the 15-foot-by-20-foot space was used by insurgents to imprison and torture their captives.

"Based on the evidence we have found here, we believe people were held here and possibly tortured — we have found enough blood to surmise that," Ray told reporters shown the basement Thursday.

On the wall adjacent to the hand print, human fingernails were found dug deep into the porous gravel around a hole in the wall — evidence, the Marines say, of a tunnel-digging attempt.

Although most of the evidence had been taken away, there was enough to suggest "they tried to dig their way out," Ray said.

No bodies or human remains — except for the fingernails — were found when the Marines discovered the underground chamber on Nov. 11, but they found "plenty of blood," he said. Marine experts have collected samples for forensic and DNA testing.

"This is tangible proof how horrific they were," Weems, of Washington, D.C., said of the insurgents, shuddering as he gazed at the bloody hand print.

Although unmarked, the center was a known base of operations for the insurgents who ruled Fallujah with terror and fear until U.S. forces and Iraqi troops captured it last month.

The assault was launched Nov. 8 to wrest Fallujah from the control of radical clerics and fighters who seized it after the Marines lifted a three-week siege of the city in April. The city fell after a week of fierce battles and overpowering airstrikes which reduced many of the buildings to rubble.

Two weeks later, Marines continue to fight sporadic gunbattles with holdouts as they clear streets, homes and buildings of weapons caches and rubble. More than 350 weapons caches have been found so far.

As Weems' troops inspected the Islamic Resistance Center on Thursday, gunshots and small arms fire reverberated from Fallujah's northeastern Askari neighborhood. The Marines said it was a sign the insurgents are still active.

On the Islamic center's first floor, the Marines discovered a weapons-making factory at the back of what appeared to be a legitimate computer store.

It contained boxloads of empty shotgun shells and a primitive-looking reloading machine on one of the tables. On the second floor, they found a sack of gunpowder and numerous mortar launcher cases.

Elsewhere in Fallujah, the Marines have discovered DVD recordings of beheadings, as well as a cage and chains bearing traces of human blood. They say it was "apparent the cage was not holding animals."

"It's the combination of the chains, the cage, the blood — there were not nice people here, that's for sure," Ray said. "They certainly didn't have the morals I would expect in a human society."

Reporters were not taken Thursday to the other sites, many of which have been cleared of evidence and the buildings destroyed by the Marines.

Maj. Jim West, a Marine intelligence officer, has said Fallujah's "atrocity sites" were used by the insurgents to imprison, torture and kill hostages. In some, knives and black hoods, many of them blood-covered, have been found.

More than 30 foreign hostages have been killed by their captors in Iraq (news - web sites) this year, including three Americans. Many of the victims have been beheaded and their deaths shown on grisly videos posted on the Internet. Iraqi police and other security forces have also been killed after their capture by insurgents.

"We believe the majority of the hostages were held in Fallujah because it was such an insurgent haven," said Ray.

The military says an estimated 1,200 insurgents and more than 50 Marines have been killed in the assault on Fallujah.


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1 posted on 12/02/2004 12:31:28 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Marines Find Alleged Iraqi Torture Chamber

Correction: It turned out to be the women's underwear department of the downtown Baghdad Macy's.

2 posted on 12/02/2004 12:35:12 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Kaslin

Monsters.


3 posted on 12/02/2004 12:35:15 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Kaslin
We had sensed that there was a pure streak of evil in this town, ever since the first days of engagement here," said Maj. Wade Weems.

Glad to hear that Maj. Weems hasn't bowed to PC, he calls it as it is....EVIL

4 posted on 12/02/2004 12:35:34 PM PST by apackof2 (Damn the torpedos! Full speed ahead!)
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To: Kaslin

I want them to find the orange jumpsuit factory.


5 posted on 12/02/2004 12:38:17 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Kaslin

I won't hold my breath waiting for an official condemnation by the International Red Cross.


6 posted on 12/02/2004 12:39:28 PM PST by proudmilitarymrs (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: Kaslin
Elsewhere in Fallujah, the Marines have discovered DVD recordings of beheadings, as well as a cage and chains bearing traces of human blood. They say it was "apparent the cage was not holding animals."

Alleged torture????

7 posted on 12/02/2004 12:39:59 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: Kaslin

Did they only torture "alleged Iraqis"? Stupid headline, attempting to be neutral.


8 posted on 12/02/2004 12:41:14 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: ElkGroveDan
Yes, "alleged torutre". APPARENTLY THESE IDIOTS ARE WORRIED THAT THE ROOM IN QUESTION MAY SUE THEM FOR LIBEL.
9 posted on 12/02/2004 12:43:08 PM PST by Shryke
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To: Kaslin
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10 posted on 12/02/2004 12:44:18 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Kaslin
I sincerely hope all the documentation of these places, and especially raw video footage of what they are finding , will be released for all the world to view. DoD really needs to capitalize on these finds , nothing should be held back as 'secret'. Ask (force) the major networks to show this stuff.
Hack al Jizzera and run it on their bandwidth. DoD should hold press conferances where the videos and still are widely shown.
This is our chance to counter ALL the criticism. All of it...
11 posted on 12/02/2004 12:46:20 PM PST by injin
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To: Kaslin
Interesting they seem to feel the need to put 'alleged' in the headline, as if they don't want to impugn the terrorists, yet I don't recall 'alleged' being used conpicuously regarding anything at Abu Ghraib.
12 posted on 12/02/2004 12:49:41 PM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: proudmilitarymrs

You will probably hear a condemnation from the International Red Cross that the Marines have found the site


13 posted on 12/02/2004 12:51:16 PM PST by Kaslin (I can't think of a good tagline)
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To: injin

The films, "Hidden in the Sand" through Amazon and "WMD" from The Iraqi Truth Project document the gruesome torture. www.theiraqitruthproject.com


14 posted on 12/02/2004 1:01:14 PM PST by vivabushchick ("Picture a smiley face on the Red States")
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To: ElkGroveDan
Elsewhere in Fallujah, the Marines have discovered DVD recordings of beheadings, as well as a cage and chains bearing traces of human blood. They say it was "apparent the cage was not holding animals."

Alleged torture????

Well, yeah, maybe they were just using the room for tea and crumpets while listening to Bach, then someone got a bad nosebleed. You have to give them the benefit of the doubt, you know.

15 posted on 12/02/2004 1:04:45 PM PST by Randjuke
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To: Kaslin

They weren't insurgents. All I can say is we thankfully didn't find evidence that they tried to humiliate anyone.


16 posted on 12/02/2004 1:05:37 PM PST by stevem
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To: injin
"I sincerely hope all the documentation of these places, and especially raw video footage of what they are finding , will be released for all the world to view. DoD really needs to capitalize on these finds , nothing should be held back as 'secret'. Ask (force) the major networks to show this stuff."

Doubt if the networks will mention this, let alone show anything negative about their buddies.

The DoD, or some pysops wing of the govt. should make their own DVDs of this and pass them out free to anyone who will take them. Even better, copy the writing the terrorists used on their beheading discs and paste them on the new "improved" version. Might be an education, or at least a shock, to those itching to see atrocities.

17 posted on 12/02/2004 1:07:56 PM PST by Oatka
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To: Kaslin

This article is direct evidence that the Associated Press needs to be FReeped big time.Katarina needs to have he comeuppance. Her quality of life needs to be adjusted downward. She's far to comfortable.


18 posted on 12/02/2004 1:09:51 PM PST by bert (Don't Panic.....)
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To: Kaslin

Sounds like those insurgents sure can be a nuisance.


19 posted on 12/02/2004 1:10:22 PM PST by Air Assault (Arm Yourselves!!)
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To: Kaslin

Everything the enemy does is always "alleged" by our traitor media.

Everything the islamic jihadist swine-blooded muslims say is gospel and never questioned.

They better hope I NEVER meet one of those reporters face-to-face otherwise only ONE of us will walk away.


20 posted on 12/02/2004 1:12:55 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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