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Response from Macys- Regarding an earlier post (Vanity)

Posted on 12/01/2004 7:05:15 AM PST by killthedonkey

This is the response I recieved from Federated after I informed them that I will no longer be shopping in thier stores, in response to an earlier post that 'Macy's stores boycotted for replacing 'Christmas'

Dear Mrs. Florez:

Thank you for your comments. Let me assure you that Federated Department Stores does, indeed, recognize and celebrate Christmas in everything from Christmas decorations and music to Christmas merchandise and trim-a-tree shops in our stores. And then, of course, there is Santa Claus -- the star of our Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade!

There are, however, many diverse cultures represented in American society today, and our goal is to be inclusive of all and exclusive of none. Since the phrases "season's greetings" and "happy holidays" embrace all of the various religious and ethnic celebrations that take place in the November/December period, we believe they are more appropriately reflective of the multi-cultural society in which we live.

Carol A. Sanger VP/Corporate Communications & External Affairs Federated Department Stores, Inc. Cincinnati, OH 45202 513/579-7764 513/579-7185 (facsimile)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: christophobia; inclusion; macys; tolerance
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1 posted on 12/01/2004 7:05:16 AM PST by killthedonkey
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To: killthedonkey

Seems reasonable to me.


2 posted on 12/01/2004 7:06:36 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: killthedonkey

HMMMM... wonder if she's any relation to Margaret Sanger?


3 posted on 12/01/2004 7:07:33 AM PST by DanTheAdmin (A blue man in a red state...)
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To: killthedonkey

Santa may be the "star" of their parade. But the Star of Bethlehem shone over the stable where God became incarnate. Jesus is the center of the celebration of Christmas.


4 posted on 12/01/2004 7:09:12 AM PST by Jemian
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To: killthedonkey
But...but...but....
"Happy Holidays" is used only in fall and winter. Those of us who celebrate Independence day, Memorial Day, etc., feel slighted and discriminated against.

I am offended at the lack of sensitivity shown by the company...

< /sarcasm >

5 posted on 12/01/2004 7:10:19 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: killthedonkey
. . . our goal is to be inclusive of all and exclusive of none.

Therefore, any of our employees who mentions the word "Christmas" will be dismissed at once. This will show everyone that we are "inclusive." (Black is white, up is down, etc.)

6 posted on 12/01/2004 7:11:51 AM PST by madprof98
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To: killthedonkey
I have no problem with Macy's addressing a mixed group of people with "season's greetings", because Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Christ, and not everybody in their target market is Christian.

On the other hand, the idea that honoring Christian traditions is taboo, and that they must be banned while affording full respect to other faiths, is just wrong.

I don't care if sectarian-type people celebrate Christmas as the "Great Day Off With Presents" or the celebration of the birth of the baby Santa, I don't care if Muslims or Jews ignore it altogether.

It's a Christian holiday, and it should be keep holy. But it's only one day. not the entire season. And as long as Macy's isn't marketing exclusively to Christians (riiiiight...),they get a pass for using the more generic greeting.

However, I'm Christian, and if ya know that and you are addressing just me and not a group, I expect "Merry Christmas". Just as I would wish others a happy Hanukah or happy Ramadan if I knew that to be appropriate. (To those who have objections to a religious-toned message, I usually just say "have a nice day off".

7 posted on 12/01/2004 7:20:22 AM PST by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

It doesn't seem reasonable to me. There's no reason you can't say "Season's Greetings" and "Happy Holidays" AND "Merry Christmas," unless it's because you don't want to offend people who hate Christmas. I'm sorry if some Hindu person or athiest would prefer this country be more Hindu or athiest. That's too bad. But the Left is intent on granting them their wish, at least superficially. It's funny how in so many public schools there seems to be no problem with teachers waxing on about Islam or Kwanzaa, but there can't be any christmas carols or christmas cards. This is a matter of whose sensibilities Macy's value most, and clearly it is the sensibilities of those who are offended by Christmas. This country isn't nearly as diverse as liberals want to pretend. It's not like Christianity is just one of many religions here, with people understandably puzzled as to why it's Holidays receive more attention. This country was founded by Christians, our organizing principles were informed by Christian values, our culture and traditions are rooted in Christian practices, and the vast majority of the population is and always has been Christian. Macy's isn't a government entity, they're a private business. The fact they are removing references to Christmas just shows they are merely one more dominoe in that long line being toppled by the Left in its quest to root out Christianity--to relegate it to the point where they no longer ever have to be "subjected" to any of its cultural or social manifestations.


8 posted on 12/01/2004 7:21:16 AM PST by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: killthedonkey
What a cop out. Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ and has nothing to do with non Christian groups.
9 posted on 12/01/2004 7:21:47 AM PST by ArkansasBushfan
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To: Hank All-American
Dude, they are a business. They are interested in profits first and foremost. They probably have many non-Christian customers.

And, Macy's companies do not ignore the Christian aspect of the holiday season either. Actually, I purchased a very nice glass nativity scene from one of their stores this past weekend.

It makes perfect sense to me that Macy's stores would have items that are Christian-oriented, secular, items for Hannukah, Kwanza, etc. And, considering there are so many holidays at this time of year, it makes more sense for them to say "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons Greetings" rather than "Happy Thanksgiving, Hannukah, Christmas, Kwanza, New Year's Day, et al"

10 posted on 12/01/2004 7:28:22 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Hank All-American
Nothing speaks louder than money. Christians have a very loud voice as seen in the election. If stores continue to cater to the minority religions in this country, we can just stop shopping at those stores. Boycott Macy's and The Bon Marche (thats a great start).
11 posted on 12/01/2004 7:30:01 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: killthedonkey

Last year I got a Macy's gift card in a Macy's presentation envelope marked "Merry Christmas". From a Jewish client.

For the record, Macy's also had on display, gift cards in "Seasons Greetings" and "Happy Hanukkah" envelopes.


12 posted on 12/01/2004 7:41:28 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Kwanza You've got to be kidding!

You know the history of kwanza! Some made-up B.S. from some dark-pigmented felon in prison!

The holiday is Christmas, Dec. 25. Supposed birth date of Christ. THAT is what we are celebrating!

Let's included everyone, let's not offend anyone, let's be tolerant and politically correct.

I think you are conservative, but your take sure sounds like something a liberal would say???

13 posted on 12/01/2004 7:44:32 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Seems reasonable to me, too. But there is a vocal contingent that is determined to be offended unless the greeting at this time of year is "Merry Christmas" and they'll accept nothing else.

It's sad.


14 posted on 12/01/2004 7:46:52 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Jemian

They're not saying He's not. They're a department store, for heaven's sake.


15 posted on 12/01/2004 7:47:30 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: madprof98
Therefore, any of our employees who mentions the word "Christmas" will be dismissed at once.

Is that what started this complaint or are you exaggerating?

16 posted on 12/01/2004 7:48:15 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: killthedonkey
Oh this whole issue makes me CRAZY!!!!! It's all about Christmas people. Hannakua is an important and holiday for the Jews, but it is NOTHING compared to Yom Kipur and Passover. As for Kwanza, it's nothing but a made up holiday like the Festive Pole in Seinfield.

Christmas IS the reason for the season, otherwise why not have all the vacations and sales in January or February. It's DECEMBER 25th because that is the day Christians celebrate the birth of JESUS CHRIST!!!!!. Hello secular left wing. You can't take away Christmas anymore.

This year I am sending out Christmas cards, not happy holiday cards. I'm telling my kids it's Christmas vacation, NOT winter break. I'm saying Merry Christmas to the clerks in stores. I'm taking Christmas back!

17 posted on 12/01/2004 7:49:13 AM PST by Wonderama ("America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy"....John Updike)
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To: killthedonkey

What exactly was your complaint?

Do they not use the word Christmas at all and if so it's a firing offense?

What exactly happened that got you upset, please.


18 posted on 12/01/2004 7:49:58 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Kenton
On the other hand, the idea that honoring Christian traditions is taboo, and that they must be banned while affording full respect to other faiths, is just wrong.

That would be very wrong. Is that what happened here? It looks like it did not.

19 posted on 12/01/2004 7:50:57 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: TexasCajun

Yes, I know that Kwanza is a made up holiday for politically correct purposes. You won't find me or any of my friends or family celebrating it either. However, a lot of people do. I would expect Macy's, as one of the largest stores in the world, to have some Kwanza merchandise too. Probably not to the extent that they have Christmas merchandise because their are more consumers that celebrate Christmas. But, it would be dumb of them not to sell items to as many people as possible.


20 posted on 12/01/2004 7:51:02 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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