Posted on 11/30/2004 9:14:15 AM PST by cainin04
Over the past days there has been a great discussion about the role of the theory of evolution and whether it alone or the thoughts on Intellegent Design should be taught in schools.
I made the argument that Darwinsism attempts to replace God. "If you have Darwinism there is no need for God the Creator." But many of the Free Republic members disagreed.
Read the text from this recent text book used today in public schools and draw your own conclusions. I found this in Lee Stroble's "Case for a Creator."
Futuyma Douglas author of "Evolutionary Biology"--page 3--"By coupling undirected, purposeless variation to the blind, uncaring process of natural selection, Darwin made theological or spiritual explanations of the life processes superflous."
The book "Sign of Intellegence" cites several of the other popular text books. The writers cite the terms used to describe evolution; "evolution is random and undirected,"without plan or purpose,"Darwin gave biology a sound scientific basis by attributing the diversity of life to natural causes rather than the supernatural creation."
Stroble also cites an article from Time Magazine, "Charles Darwin didn't want to murder God, as he once put it. But he did."
One can read text book after text book, they all come to the same conclusion--Darwin replaced God.
Why then is a theory that has so many holes in it, still being taught as "fact?" Many excuses could be listed, but I would say it is just part of the liberal establishment trying to remove God from our schools and our country as a whole. In history class we can't read the "Declaration of ID" or say the Pledge of Allegiance, because they mention God; in English we can't read a story from the Bible, because that is seperation of church and state--yet we CAN read other religous materials as long as they are not Christian; and of course in science class we can't mention ID because that would include God.
Americans are going to have to stand up. We can not sit back and watch these atheistic liberals have every mention of God removed from our country. If we do stand up, not only will we produce children who have no understanding of our country, our history, or our values, but we will also see our nation fall into a great moral decline.
However, I do not think we are going to allow that to occur. In this last election we had a clear choice between a man of God--a man with values--and a man with little or no values. We chose the man with values. The fight will continue and Patriotic-God loving Americans can never give in. Read what is in your child's text books and if it attempts to remove God, speak out against it. Your voice matters--it matters not just for your child's sake, but for the sake of all America's citizens.
Your right. The Bible has never changed and we humans are not perfect. Many, many, many things are misinterpreted about scripture. I'm sure I mangle it at times as well. This is why you have to use your faith and ask God for the wisdom to understand.
If I remember correctly, it was more than the Bible that was used to justify slavery.
It's not any of those. Nothing macro about those changes to me. Maybe if the skull changes into a mouse, I'd see macro.
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You must specify what type of evolution you are referring to. Evolution by way of micro-evolution or adaptation is fine and is even stated in the bible as kind into kind. It's macro-evolution that is an unproven assumption and is an impossibility.
> God sets the standards by which we should live.
Scary thought, given that we live in a democracy and God *really* doesn't like democracies. Check out Numbers 16... God essentially nukes a whole bunch of uninvolved people because the various tribal leaders didn't want a dictatorship.
> Do unto others and so forth, in addition to the commandments.
Those commandments have proscribed punishments for those who disobey them. Do you see to it that those punishments are carried out?
> true happiness for me can only be found through the wisdom of ...
Hari Krishnas and Moonies and Muslims and Scientologists all make the same claim, just with a different ending. It seems "true happiness" seems to come in many forms.
That's not the way evolution works, but even if such a transistional series was shown to you, wouldn't you just say the skulls are just humans, apes and mice?
Evolution is a religion, not science.
Check your scripture before saying it says something it does not. It was the non-Christians who thought the world was flat. The Bible tells us that the earth is round. Christians knew the earth was round long before anyone else.
With respect to daylight before the sun, be careful of the edition of your Bible. Evolution has been around for 200 years, well before Darwin. There are many bibles that have been "edited" to fit a certain understanding and actually take out verses.
God is everything, but it would be wise not to think He's not here with us.
And there are just as many, if not more, billions of people who agree with me. My faith wasn't easy to find and it was absolutely ruined by being taught evolution in school. It takes a lot to tear down a tenet that was instilled in you but a lot easier to swallow as you bear no responsibility to a higher power. But, once the veil was removed from my eyes, the only way intellectually that makes sense is the literal interpretation of the Bible.
Duh!! (face turning red)
You think so? How many Christians are there in the world? Of those, how many are Christian by faith rather than simply by culture? Of those, how many do you feel subscribe to your interpretation?
Are there even a billion Christians in the world?
In the NT, Satan takes Jesus to the top of a mountain to see "all the kingdoms of Earth." Such ain't possible on a sphere. The Bible also talks about the "four corners of the Earth" which is also a reference to a flat Earth. Also, the Earth is fixed on its foundations and the sky is supported by pillars. Note, all these were used by the Inquisition in their prosecution of Galileo. Also note, since that time, because of the discoveries of science, those passages are no longer considered literal, but figurative. The same can be said of the first few chapters of Genesis.
I'm Catholic; the Protestants removed a whole slough of books from the Bible.
Interesting. I am under the impression that "intelligent design" is posited as an alternative to evolution and touted by its proponents as compatible with the notion of special creation.
I am also under the impression that irreducible complexity has been offered up as a defining attribute of an intelligently designed biological structure.
You now say (as, I assume, a proponent of intelligent design) that the human body is not an irreducibly complex biological structure. I agree.
But ... that means human beings were not intelligently designed, doesn't it? You seem to be endorsing a concept that necessarily (by your own criteria) negates special creation of human beings. Are you therefore implicity endorsing the idea that human beings are instead the product of evolution?
The hominid series seems undramatic to you. But if anyone made a similar display for primitive primates to monkeys to early apes, it would be similarly undramatic.
Same thing for the record from early placental insectivores to primates. Here's another series, farther back down the tree. How dramatic does this look?
Wow - do you live in New York? There's billions of Christians in the world. It's impossible to know how strong of faith they have. I don't have the link for it, but search FR for a recent survey by CBS that shows us Creationists are the majority!
Nah, the most I've seen is almost 2 billion and that counts pretty much every person in Europe and South America as Christian. How many of those do you think truly are and are not just by culture? Even taking the high number, Christians are at most 1/3 so they are outnumbered 2 to 1.
Also, how many of those Christians have really thought about whether Genesis is literal or not? Do you think most believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old?
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