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US Dollar has sunk to record lows against Euro
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Posted on 11/27/2004 10:24:13 AM PST by soccer_linux_mozilla

The United States’ trade deficit is soaring and the once high-flying dollar has sunk to record lows against Europe’s common currency.

The dollar’s record low against the euro coincided with the government’s report that the United States was running a trade deficit through September at annual rate of 592 billion dollars. That compares with last year’s record 496 dollars billion. As a result, the country is having to borrow almost 600 billion dollars from overseas this year to pay for the imported cars, televisions and other items Americans are buying.



TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: currency; deficit; dollar; euro; federalreserve; trade; tradedeficit
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To: Ohioan

Bill, you do say it so much better than I do. Thanks


41 posted on 11/27/2004 12:08:45 PM PST by B4Ranch ((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!))
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To: jpsb
"But the bad news is that if the dollar tanks the GOP will be blamed, and they deserve alot of the blame, and the GOP will be finished as a polical party."

The Dollar deserves to "crash," as it has been propped up above its Market value for decades by Europe, Asia, and India.

And the higher that the Dollar is propped up, the cheaper it is for Americans to purchase foreign goods instead of American products.

In a free Market, a nation's currency will adjust based upon its foreign trade surplus or deficit. A nation that exports more than it imports will see its curency rise. Notice however, that China's currency hasn't risen.

And a nation that imports more than it exports will see its currency decline until its trade deficit declines. Notice that the U.S. trade deficit hasn't declined.

So we *aren't* in a free market because the Chinese Yuan hasn't risen and because the U.S. trade deficit hasn't declined.

That means that governments are intervening in the currency market.

China, for instance, is hoarding $500 Billion in U.S. Dollars. India has another $88 Billion. Japan has even more. Europe, more Dollars still.

By hoarding all of those Dollars, they create an artificial shortage of something that is in reality present in abundance: the Dollar.

By creating that artificial shortage, they cause demand for the Dollar to be artificially high. That artificial demand makes the Dollar worth more than what a free market would value it.

That extra value of the Dollar enables Americans to purchase more foreign goods than a free market would normally allow.

Thus, the propped up Dollar serves as a stealth subsidy for all foreign imports.

Killing that foreign subsidy will hardly be a bad thing, as you errroneously claim above.

42 posted on 11/27/2004 12:09:29 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MNJohnnie

FINALLY, someone who gets it.

Congratulations.


43 posted on 11/27/2004 12:10:15 PM PST by JoeV1 (The Democrats-The unlawful and corrupt leading the uneducated and blind)
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To: Ohioan

c#42


44 posted on 11/27/2004 12:10:49 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jpsb

Let's start a discussion of instruments that can be owned to insulate one's portfolio from the coming devaluation. It's an open-ended request. I am interested in knowing which equities, mutural funds, ETFs, currency pairs and futures should be owned or shorted.


45 posted on 11/27/2004 12:12:53 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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To: Sarah

If a strong currency is so wonderful then why are the Europeons whing so loudly about their Euro?


46 posted on 11/27/2004 12:13:31 PM PST by JoeV1 (The Democrats-The unlawful and corrupt leading the uneducated and blind)
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To: B4Ranch

c#42


47 posted on 11/27/2004 12:15:50 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Moonman62
True, but the "buck" get harder to pass with folks paying attention. Bush got a pass on the Dot Com bubble cause he wasn't in office long enough to really do anything about that. And while Dot Com hurt the 401k, it had no effect on pay checks. Bush and the GOP will not get a pass on allowing the dollar to greatly devalue and that will show up in the old pay check.

If the dollar crashes the GOP will be blamed for run away spending, huge trade deficits and loss of high paying jobs that bought about the crash.

48 posted on 11/27/2004 12:16:11 PM PST by jpsb (Ex)
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To: Moonman62

c#42


49 posted on 11/27/2004 12:16:37 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jpsb
"If the dollar crashes the GOP will be blamed for run away spending, huge trade deficits and loss of high paying jobs that bought about the crash."

Look, I hate to just pound on you, but that's just ignorant.

A Dollar "crash" would eliminate our trade deficit.

Let's put your urban myth to bed:

Right now, the U.S. Dollar buys 8.28 Chinese Yuans. If the Dollar crashes, your U.S. Dollar might buy as few as 1 Chinese Yuan. That means that the Chinese flashlight that you just bought at Wal-Mart last year for $1 will suddenly cost you $8.28.

In other words, the farther that the Dollar crashes, the MORE that Chinese products will cost.

The more that Chinese products cost, the LOWER our trade deficit will go (because Americans will be buying fewer Chinese products).

So don't let me catch you claiming again that a Dollar crash would somehow do the opposite by mysteriously INCREASING our trade deficit, as that is the opposite of what would happen in reality.

You've now been educated. You now know better. If you spout such nonsense again, you'll be outed as a troll-spewing propagandist.

50 posted on 11/27/2004 12:23:13 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Tax Government

real estate, gold mines, metals, euros, etc. Just don't hang on to dollars.


51 posted on 11/27/2004 12:26:01 PM PST by jpsb (Ex)
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To: proudpapa

>Darn. Does this mean more European tourist coming to our lovely shores this summer?<

Shore does. Airline flights are down $200 for the Europeans.


52 posted on 11/27/2004 12:29:41 PM PST by B4Ranch ((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!))
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To: Southack
The Dollar deserves to "crash," as it has been propped up above its Market value for decades by Europe, Asia, and India.

What is the market value of the dollar?

53 posted on 11/27/2004 12:30:15 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Southack
"Look, I hate to just pound on you, but that's just ignorant."

I think you misspoke here, you admit huge trade deficit lower the value of a currency but then you claim I am ignorate for making the exactly that claim.

Please clarifiy your position so that we may have a good debate.

54 posted on 11/27/2004 12:31:56 PM PST by jpsb (Ex)
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To: jpsb

Thanks. I'd like to keep that list growing, to include good choices among ETFs, funds, and currency pairs.


55 posted on 11/27/2004 12:34:41 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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To: Tax Government

Another excellent bet is oil companies that have large proven reserves.


56 posted on 11/27/2004 12:36:01 PM PST by jpsb (Ex)
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To: Southack
You focus on the foreign export side of the picture. Yes, other Nations try to manipulate the market, to make their goods appear cheaper--to boost their sales to us. But that is not the ultimate engine driving the value of the Dollar.

If there were no other factor, but the question of where the existing supplies of Dollars--and Dollar denominated substitutes--were being held, there would indeed be a tendency over time, for things to level out, though not without some occasional convulsions, between over valuation to undervaluation, etc.. But the killing factor, now, is the reckless spending in Washington--and the immense factor hanging over all, is the advent of the madness known as Medicare Prescription Drug Coverage, which is going to cause the deficit to soar even further, with a great increase in the supply of money and money substitutes, triggered by the practice of monetizing the deficits.

What is coming is not going to be pretty.

For a commentary on Medicare, see Medicare--Panacea or Death Potion? For the delay in the actual effects of deficit spending, hitting the prices we pay at home, see Economics and Common Sense., which discusses the inertia factor in pricing, etc. But something very ugly is coming. The ugly situation at the end of the Carter Administration was not Jimmy's doing, it was the result of what LBJ did from 1965 to 1969; and Washington, today, is making LBJ look almost Conservative.

57 posted on 11/27/2004 12:38:41 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Tax Government

Also US manufactoring companies that can weather the comming storm. GM, IBM, Intel, nothing like blue chips for a good nights sleep. But one has to be careful that they do not rely heavily on imported materials like steel. Much better if they are vertically integrated in the USA.


58 posted on 11/27/2004 12:40:40 PM PST by jpsb (Ex)
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla

"He [Greenspan} also argues that the dollar is moving back to its long-run equilibrium position going all the way back to 1995."

Maybe things aren't so bad. http://www.lkmp.blogspot.com/


59 posted on 11/27/2004 12:42:47 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla
"Advantages of a Weak Dollar............"

Good synopsis of the pro / con arguments.

IMHO we are playing a game of currency "chicken" with the Chinese. We are betting that they will flinch first and float their yuan sometime early next year. This will be a critical point to glimpse the China strategy for economic domination at work. The time frame for this...vis a vis their capacity to absorb losses and internal pressure by keeping their yuan pegged to the dollar will be illuminating.

On another related matter....there was a local news story this morning relating the story of one of our local malls here in PA, which happens to be one of the largest on the east coast.

People were literally lined up starting at 3 AM to get good spaces in line for the annual Black Friday sales events at the mall. One guy bragged that he had spent over a grand before 6 AM!! (pre-dawn sales!)

Now, this to me is indicative of SOMETHING. There are a couple options IMHO:

a) The economy is booming, people have lots of money, and have the confidence to spend it on bargains.

b) Credit is cheap, housing has appreciated dramatically, and home equity loans / credit is abundant. Couple that with the easy availability of credit, and you have the classic recipe for people living on credit beyond their means. When interest rates rise, many of these people may see negative equity on their homes (purchased recently) and large variable rate mortgages. Many will be squeezed. If one or more spouses gets laid off, bankruptcy will probably result.

Choose a, b, or a+b, or maybe your own option c.
60 posted on 11/27/2004 12:43:22 PM PST by Dat Mon (clever tagline under construction)
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