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The 28th Amendment
NY Times ^ | November 22, 2004 | WILLIAM SAFIRE

Posted on 11/21/2004 9:08:30 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist

Like a cloud no bigger than a man's hand, the 28th amendment to the U.S. Constitution is gathering on the political horizon.

No, it's not the anti-same-sex amendment that President Bush supports. Only if the Supreme Court strikes down the federal Defense of Marriage Act - or if it overturns the changes in state constitutions adopted to block recognition of same-sex marriages legal elsewhere - will that proposed amendment have a remote chance of gaining support of two-thirds of the Congress and 38 states.

The founders made it hard to amend the Constitution, but since the Bill of Rights, it's been done on the average of once every 12 years. It's time to end discrimination based on place of birth that denies the equal right of every citizen to run for president.

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To: radicalamericannationalist
I'm confused. How did this baby "voluntarily chose to leave that homeland and become an American citizen." That's a pretty dang impressive baby.

I'm referring to two different potential candidates. Jennifer Granholm, for example, moved to the United States from Canada when she was four. Do you think she's more loyal to Canada than the United States? Arnold Schwarzenegger came here at 21 because he loved this land, and jumped through the hoops necessary to become a naturalized citizen. Do you doubt his patriotism?

Why don't you trust the voters to pick the best President from the largest available pool of candidates?

41 posted on 11/21/2004 9:57:36 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities
Here's why I don't support this amendment: What if let's say someone had grown up in Iran and moved here at, say, the age of 25. They are now 55. However, even though they have been here for so long, my question is would they be able to be impartial to the nation they hail from. Would they be willing to bomb their mother country if nessesary, putting their friends and family at risk? That is why the founders put that qualification in the constitution.
42 posted on 11/21/2004 9:59:01 PM PST by AVNevis
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To: Politicalities

"Why don't you trust the voters to pick the best President from the largest available pool of candidates?"

So why stop at citizens? I'm sure there are some damned fine folks around the world looking to be President. Surely you trust the people to make their selection amongst such a large pool. So why discriminate?


43 posted on 11/21/2004 9:59:55 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: AVNevis
Hey now, they might be logic. Be careful or you might be labeled a "closet nativist."
44 posted on 11/21/2004 10:00:51 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: AVNevis
Here's why I don't support this amendment: What if let's say someone had grown up in Iran and moved here at, say, the age of 25. They are now 55. However, even though they have been here for so long, my question is would they be able to be impartial to the nation they hail from. Would they be willing to bomb their mother country if nessesary, putting their friends and family at risk?

Would a Jew be able to bomb Israel if necessary? Would a Catholic be able to go to war with the Vatican? Would Michael Dukakis, son of Greek immigrants, have been able to take a hard line with Greece?

It's a good question: would an Iranian immigrant be able to effectively deal with Iran? It's a question that would certainly come up during the campaign, and I trust the voters to make the correct judgment.

45 posted on 11/21/2004 10:02:04 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: FreeKeys

Yes, but this amendment wouldn't just let Arnold run. This isn't just for Arnold. Maybe there could be an Adolf Hitler clone from Canada that would like to run someday.


46 posted on 11/21/2004 10:02:46 PM PST by AVNevis
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To: Politicalities

I have no problem with the children of immigrants growing up to become President. Their parents, however, are another matter. I don't want President Ortega from Tijuana to be able to turn America into a colony of Mexico (Although in Caleeforneea that has effectively already happened.)


47 posted on 11/21/2004 10:03:37 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Nature abhors a moron."-H.L. Mencken)
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To: Cultural Jihad
This proposed amendment is dead. No one is going to amend the Constitution to satisfy the ego of an unproven governor.

Arnold is my governor and I got to tell ya, he is one hell of a charismatic guy. My wife and I live in Roseville, a bedroom suburb of Sacramento. Just before the recall election, we went to the State Capitol on a Sunday to see Arnold's big, last rally. For some unknown reason (I think it's because my wife is pretty..) we got to go to the "VIP" area. There were 10,000 people there, but this was right in front of Arnold's stage. This man has some superhuman qualities!! Maybe it's because of all his movies. Maybe it's his charming wit and humor. But, we should all be wary of this man. I think, but I don't know for certain, that he's a decent person. But I am pretty certain that a HUGE ego comes with him. Let's be careful with this one...

48 posted on 11/21/2004 10:05:40 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: AVNevis
"Maybe there could be an Adolph Hitler clone from Canada that would like to run someday"

Mountie stormtroopers (But very polite ones)...forcing us to listen to Celine Dione over and over again...Jim Carrey as Minister of Propaganda...but we would get better beer!

49 posted on 11/21/2004 10:08:13 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Nature abhors a moron."-H.L. Mencken)
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To: Prime Choice

got that right about Mengele....and his protege, Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood....


50 posted on 11/21/2004 10:08:34 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance
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To: ExtremeUnction
And, unfortunately for my nieces and nephew, it looks like lots of state debt go along with that ego.
51 posted on 11/21/2004 10:09:05 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Actually I didn't do all the thinking. I got some of it from Eric Hogue of www.ktkz.com, AKA Freeper Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ
52 posted on 11/21/2004 10:09:28 PM PST by AVNevis
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To: FreeKeys
Besides, since Adolf was a super-control-freak and Ahhhnold is a big live-and-let-liver..

You are probably right. But I live and work in the halls of power in Sacramento. Arnold IS a control freak. So am I. But I don't run a state..or a country.

53 posted on 11/21/2004 10:09:44 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: Politicalities

and America's founding documents FORBID Arnold from being President. FORBID. CANNOT BE. Arnold is a stealth Kennedy as stated upthread....


54 posted on 11/21/2004 10:11:27 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance
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To: jocon307; radicalamericannationalist
He actually served in the Austrian Army. I mean, you can't be serious!

What was his rank?

55 posted on 11/21/2004 10:13:58 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hasta la vista Arnold!)
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To: farmfriend
It's time to end discrimination based on place of birth that denies the equal right of every citizen to run for president.

Note the clever use of the BIG LIE...implying rights that do not exist. The Constitution is meaningfully discriminatory on this privilege (not right) ...as a matter of national safety and security. The Constitution also discriminates by forbidding congressmen who have later aided and abetted the enemy from continuing to hold the office of Junior Senator from MA.
56 posted on 11/21/2004 10:17:36 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance
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To: radicalamericannationalist
It's time to end discrimination based on place of birth that denies the equal right of every citizen to run for president.

Bill Safire's intellect is faaar overrated...

Well maybe we can ask the enlightened Safire if he finds it "discrimination" to "deny the right" of every 12 year-old, OR rapist to be President.

Afterall, they too are "citizens."

57 posted on 11/21/2004 10:18:57 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Politicalities

Albright is loyal not to the U.S. but to the U.N.


58 posted on 11/21/2004 10:19:19 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance
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To: Politicalities

If the Left were to succeed in elminating the Electoral College so that this were no longer a Republic, then a rigged 'democratic' election with massive ballot fraud would be enough to put Soros or Annan in the White House....scary how close we came to having John Kerry there--and that Communist WAS born here.


59 posted on 11/21/2004 10:23:35 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Immigrants of today (in general) do NOT have the alligence to this nation as those who immigrated and ASSIMILATED to America in the 19th Century.

Ammending the constitution because a foriegn born Body Builder & extremely popular Movie Star happens to get elected Governor of California is silliness. The founders knew what they were doing. I say let well enough alone.

60 posted on 11/21/2004 10:31:43 PM PST by PISANO (Never Forget 911!! & 911's 1st Heroes..... "Beamer, Glick, Bingham & Bennett.")
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