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The 28th Amendment
NY Times ^ | November 22, 2004 | WILLIAM SAFIRE

Posted on 11/21/2004 9:08:30 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist

Like a cloud no bigger than a man's hand, the 28th amendment to the U.S. Constitution is gathering on the political horizon.

No, it's not the anti-same-sex amendment that President Bush supports. Only if the Supreme Court strikes down the federal Defense of Marriage Act - or if it overturns the changes in state constitutions adopted to block recognition of same-sex marriages legal elsewhere - will that proposed amendment have a remote chance of gaining support of two-thirds of the Congress and 38 states.

The founders made it hard to amend the Constitution, but since the Bill of Rights, it's been done on the average of once every 12 years. It's time to end discrimination based on place of birth that denies the equal right of every citizen to run for president.

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To: FreeKeys

Uh, Arnie is on record saying that he admired Hitler's ability to wow the crowds. Now, it might just be me, but someone who picks Hitler as opposed to say FDR or JFK, sends shivers down my spine.


21 posted on 11/21/2004 9:22:19 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: FreedomCalls
You closet nativist!
22 posted on 11/21/2004 9:23:11 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
It's time to end discrimination based on place of birth that denies the equal right of every citizen to run for president.

The Constitution is homophobe racist and discriminatory?
Damn.

OK so now I'm going to accept the judgement of illiterate perverts to replace the wisdom of millenia.
Sure.

Bring.
It.
On!

23 posted on 11/21/2004 9:23:39 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Prime Choice; radicalamericannationalist
Enjoy President Soros, pal.

If the people want President Soros, the people should get President Soros. That's the whole "democracy" thing, you know?

Not that I think Soros stands a chance in hell of being elected, nor that he'd be any less revolting if he'd happened to be born in the United States.

I do, however, think they were correct in realizing that a foreign born President would face serious problems as Chief Executive. After all, should he/she take actions that impacted his/her homeland, it would be inevitable that the question of dual loyalties would taint the policy debate.

Then I guess we shouldn't have any Catholic or Jewish Presidents, either. Or Hispanic presidents.

You can't choose to be born in America. You can choose to love America with all your heart.

24 posted on 11/21/2004 9:24:40 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities
You're going to have to hang out around here just a tad longer before whatever you approve of or disapprove of counts for more than a bucketful of rat droppings...

Sorry. That's the way it is.

25 posted on 11/21/2004 9:26:20 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
It's impossible for a man to win the Presidency while a photo of him pantless on the Internet is readily available for download.

Impossible.

26 posted on 11/21/2004 9:28:44 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Politicalities
"If the people want President Soros, the people should get President Soros. That's the whole "democracy" thing, you know?"

And how bout President Albright? Had there been a tragic accident or terrorist strike, we could have been graced with that Madame President with nary a single citizen voting for her.

"Then I guess we shouldn't have any Catholic or Jewish Presidents, either. Or Hispanic presidents"

Hmm. You're right. The American born Hispanic is just the same situation as the Hispanic who has not been born here. And your side calls mine bigoted?
27 posted on 11/21/2004 9:29:08 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: Politicalities
Well, if you're so hip to sell out this nation...perhaps you'd care to list all the other nations on Earth who allow non-native citizens to sit in the highest office.

Once you complete that list, please indicate how many of them are THE SOLE REMAINING SUPERPOWER IN THE WORLD.

Then perhaps you'll understand why this amendment is going nowhere fast (thank God).

28 posted on 11/21/2004 9:29:31 PM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

Safire s#cks.


29 posted on 11/21/2004 9:32:00 PM PST by Antoninus (Santorum in '08)
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To: Politicalities
Then I guess we shouldn't have any Catholic or Jewish Presidents, either. Or Hispanic presidents.

After as stupid a statement as that one, I just lost interest in this conversation.
Thank you for playing and have a nice evening.

...non-sequitur, straw man and red herring all rolled into one...

30 posted on 11/21/2004 9:33:10 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Senator Pardek
One hopes so. He will be the Clinton of the GOP if given the chance. He already admits to Slick Willie's practices with the ladies. He also has Clinton-type hit-squads to sully the reps of his accusers - though Arnies posted the criminal record of another woman when trying to smear one of his accusers.

I can guarantee you that historians trying to re-write the lessons of impeachment will point to the GOP acceptance of the Gropernator as evidence of a partisan witch hunt. My liberal friends are already doing so.
31 posted on 11/21/2004 9:34:00 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
It's time to end discrimination based on place of birth that denies the equal right of every citizen to run for president.

Over my dead Californian body!!!

32 posted on 11/21/2004 9:35:01 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
And how bout President Albright? Had there been a tragic accident or terrorist strike, we could have been graced with that Madame President with nary a single citizen voting for her.

Yes, I suppose that if the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, and President pro tem of the Senate had all been killed simultaneously, Albright could have been President. Thank God she wasn't eligible, so we would've gotten Robert Rubin instead. What an improvement.

I despise Madeleine Albright's politics, policies, attitude, and ugly face. But I don't doubt that she's loyal to the United States over her native Czechoslovakia... which doesn't even exist anymore.

The American born Hispanic is just the same situation as the Hispanic who has not been born here.

You argued that a foreign-born President might have conflicting loyalties. Is not the same true of Catholics, Jews, Hispanics, and dozens of other subgroups? Do you want to bar all of them from the Presidency, too?

And your side calls mine bigoted?

My what? My side? What side is that? I don't recall calling anybody bigoted... and I'm pretty sure we're all on the same side.

33 posted on 11/21/2004 9:37:15 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

A special interest amendment just for Arnold? The Democrats would have to be stupid to extend the GOP lock on the White House another 8 years. They won't vote for it.


34 posted on 11/21/2004 9:37:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Prime Choice
Well, if you're so hip to sell out this nation...perhaps you'd care to list all the other nations on Earth who allow non-native citizens to sit in the highest office.

I'm not at all interested in selling out this nation... and I sure as hell don't give a damn what other nations do. The United States does a lot of things that no other nation does, and thank goodness for that.

35 posted on 11/21/2004 9:38:20 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities
After all, should he/she take actions that impacted his/her homeland, it would be inevitable that the question of dual loyalties would taint the policy debate.

Such as owing a $7.8 million estate house in Italy perhaps?

The above picture shows John Kerry's and Teresa Heinz Kerry's palacial home in Italy.

36 posted on 11/21/2004 9:42:55 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Politicalities
"You argued that a foreign-born President might have conflicting loyalties. Is not the same true of Catholics, Jews, Hispanics, and dozens of other subgroups? Do you want to bar all of them from the Presidency, too?"

Pretty dang hard to say someone has loyalty to a foreign homeland when they're born in America.

"y what? My side? What side is that? I don't recall calling anybody bigoted... and I'm pretty sure we're all on the same side."

If you're wanting to outsource the Presidency, we're on way opposite sides.
37 posted on 11/21/2004 9:43:20 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: Publius6961
...non-sequitur, straw man and red herring all rolled into one...

It's not a non sequitur. The argument was that foreign-born citizens might have conflicts of interest and should therefore be barred from the Presidency, and it logically follows that other citizens who might have conflicts of interest should also be barred from the Presidency. It's a reductio ad absurdum: if one believes that the potential conflict should not be a bar to Catholics, Jews, Hispanics, or other groups that might be conflicted, it should be no bar to the foreign-born either.

George W. Bush was born in New Haven, CT. Had he been born a few miles to the north, across the Canadian border, and moved to this country as a baby, would he be a worse President?

I do not support this Amendment so that Schwarzenegger can be President... nor, for that matter, for the sake of Albright, Soros, or Granholm. I support this Amendment because nobody has control over the accident of his birth, and some of the most fiercely patriotic Americans are immigrants.

38 posted on 11/21/2004 9:46:19 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Pretty dang hard to say someone has loyalty to a foreign homeland when they're born in America.

Pretty dang hard to say someone has loyalty to a foreign homeland when he moved here as a baby, too. And pretty dang insulting to say someone has loyalty to a foreign homeland when he voluntarily chose to leave that homeland and become an American citizen.

Let us not forget that if this Amendment passed, it wouldn't mean that Soros or Schwarzenegger could just waltz into the White House and put his feet up on the Oval Office desk. We have this thing called an election, you know. I'm sure that a foreign-born candidate's native land would be a campaign issue, and I trust the voters to judge where his loyalties lie.

39 posted on 11/21/2004 9:52:49 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities

"Pretty dang hard to say someone has loyalty to a foreign homeland when he moved here as a baby, too."

I'm confused. How did this baby "voluntarily chose to leave that homeland and become an American citizen." That's a pretty dang impressive baby.


40 posted on 11/21/2004 9:54:52 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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