Posted on 11/21/2004 9:08:30 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist
Like a cloud no bigger than a man's hand, the 28th amendment to the U.S. Constitution is gathering on the political horizon.
No, it's not the anti-same-sex amendment that President Bush supports. Only if the Supreme Court strikes down the federal Defense of Marriage Act - or if it overturns the changes in state constitutions adopted to block recognition of same-sex marriages legal elsewhere - will that proposed amendment have a remote chance of gaining support of two-thirds of the Congress and 38 states.
The founders made it hard to amend the Constitution, but since the Bill of Rights, it's been done on the average of once every 12 years. It's time to end discrimination based on place of birth that denies the equal right of every citizen to run for president.
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Uh, Arnie is on record saying that he admired Hitler's ability to wow the crowds. Now, it might just be me, but someone who picks Hitler as opposed to say FDR or JFK, sends shivers down my spine.
The Constitution is homophobe racist and discriminatory?
Damn.
OK so now I'm going to accept the judgement of illiterate perverts to replace the wisdom of millenia.
Sure.
Bring.
It.
On!
If the people want President Soros, the people should get President Soros. That's the whole "democracy" thing, you know?
Not that I think Soros stands a chance in hell of being elected, nor that he'd be any less revolting if he'd happened to be born in the United States.
I do, however, think they were correct in realizing that a foreign born President would face serious problems as Chief Executive. After all, should he/she take actions that impacted his/her homeland, it would be inevitable that the question of dual loyalties would taint the policy debate.
Then I guess we shouldn't have any Catholic or Jewish Presidents, either. Or Hispanic presidents.
You can't choose to be born in America. You can choose to love America with all your heart.
Sorry. That's the way it is.
Impossible.
Once you complete that list, please indicate how many of them are THE SOLE REMAINING SUPERPOWER IN THE WORLD.
Then perhaps you'll understand why this amendment is going nowhere fast (thank God).
Safire s#cks.
After as stupid a statement as that one, I just lost interest in this conversation.
Thank you for playing and have a nice evening.
...non-sequitur, straw man and red herring all rolled into one...
Over my dead Californian body!!!
Yes, I suppose that if the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, and President pro tem of the Senate had all been killed simultaneously, Albright could have been President. Thank God she wasn't eligible, so we would've gotten Robert Rubin instead. What an improvement.
I despise Madeleine Albright's politics, policies, attitude, and ugly face. But I don't doubt that she's loyal to the United States over her native Czechoslovakia... which doesn't even exist anymore.
The American born Hispanic is just the same situation as the Hispanic who has not been born here.
You argued that a foreign-born President might have conflicting loyalties. Is not the same true of Catholics, Jews, Hispanics, and dozens of other subgroups? Do you want to bar all of them from the Presidency, too?
And your side calls mine bigoted?
My what? My side? What side is that? I don't recall calling anybody bigoted... and I'm pretty sure we're all on the same side.
A special interest amendment just for Arnold? The Democrats would have to be stupid to extend the GOP lock on the White House another 8 years. They won't vote for it.
I'm not at all interested in selling out this nation... and I sure as hell don't give a damn what other nations do. The United States does a lot of things that no other nation does, and thank goodness for that.
Such as owing a $7.8 million estate house in Italy perhaps?
The above picture shows John Kerry's and Teresa Heinz Kerry's palacial home in Italy.
It's not a non sequitur. The argument was that foreign-born citizens might have conflicts of interest and should therefore be barred from the Presidency, and it logically follows that other citizens who might have conflicts of interest should also be barred from the Presidency. It's a reductio ad absurdum: if one believes that the potential conflict should not be a bar to Catholics, Jews, Hispanics, or other groups that might be conflicted, it should be no bar to the foreign-born either.
George W. Bush was born in New Haven, CT. Had he been born a few miles to the north, across the Canadian border, and moved to this country as a baby, would he be a worse President?
I do not support this Amendment so that Schwarzenegger can be President... nor, for that matter, for the sake of Albright, Soros, or Granholm. I support this Amendment because nobody has control over the accident of his birth, and some of the most fiercely patriotic Americans are immigrants.
Pretty dang hard to say someone has loyalty to a foreign homeland when he moved here as a baby, too. And pretty dang insulting to say someone has loyalty to a foreign homeland when he voluntarily chose to leave that homeland and become an American citizen.
Let us not forget that if this Amendment passed, it wouldn't mean that Soros or Schwarzenegger could just waltz into the White House and put his feet up on the Oval Office desk. We have this thing called an election, you know. I'm sure that a foreign-born candidate's native land would be a campaign issue, and I trust the voters to judge where his loyalties lie.
"Pretty dang hard to say someone has loyalty to a foreign homeland when he moved here as a baby, too."
I'm confused. How did this baby "voluntarily chose to leave that homeland and become an American citizen." That's a pretty dang impressive baby.
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