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Rumsfeld Asked To Reconsider Ban On Boy Scouts(I will stand arm and arm to fight this)
AP ^ | November 21, 2004 | AP

Posted on 11/21/2004 6:53:11 AM PST by Former Military Chick

FREDERICKSBURG, Va. (AP) — U.S. Rep. Jo Ann Davis has joined the effort to reverse the Pentagon's decision to end support for Boy Scout troops sponsored by military bases.

Mrs. Davis, Virginia Republican, has asked Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to reconsider the concession to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which she described in a statement as an "extreme group bent on pursuing a political agenda."

"I believe the Department of Defense has every right to work with the Boy Scouts," Mrs. Davis said, "and I believe this relationship is very important for both groups."

An ACLU lawsuit has challenged the relationship, asserting that the Defense Department should not support an organization that discriminates based on religion because Scouts are required to believe in God. The ACLU won the concession last Monday, when the Defense Department agreed not to sponsor Scout troops on military bases.

Mrs. Davis, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, protested the decision and co-sponsored a House resolution in support of the relationship between the Scouts and the Pentagon.

The Defense Department settlement is part of a series of legal challenges in recent years over how closely the government should be aligned with the Boy Scouts of America, which reports more than 3.2 million members.

Civil liberties advocates have set their sights on the organization's policies because they ban openly homosexual Scout leaders and compel members to swear an oath of duty to God. The ACLU argues that direct government sponsorship of such a program amounts to discrimination.

"If our Constitution's promise of religious liberty is to be a reality, the government should not be administering religious oaths or discriminating based on religious beliefs," said ACLU lawyer Adam Schwartz.

The settlement does not resolve other ACLU complaints about government spending that benefits the Boy Scouts, including the money to prepare the Fort A.P. Hill Army base in Virginia for the Boy Scout Jamboree, Mr. Schwartz said.

The Washington Times reported Wednesday that the Jamboree, which draws more than 40,000 Scouts and leaders to the base, will go on as planned this summer, although future stagings likely will depend on the outcome of the continuing legal battle.

"There will be no effect on the Jamboree," said Bob Bork, national spokesman for the Boy Scouts of America. "We don't anticipate any problem with that."

Mr. Schwartz said the Pentagon spends $2 million every year to prepare the Caroline County base for the Jamboree, held once every four years. He said the Defense Department also makes annual allocations of $100,000 to support Boy Scout units on military bases overseas and $100,000 to improve Boy Scout properties, such as summer camps.

However, Pentagon spokes-man Lt. Col. Joe Richards said the partial settlement on Monday will have minimal effect on the military's relationship with the Boy Scouts.

"The settlement does not prohibit the Department of Defense from supporting the Boy Scouts of America," he said. "Boy Scout units are permitted to meet on military bases, and military personnel are allowed to remain active in Boy Scout programs."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: aclu; boyscouts; bsa; dod; joanndavis
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Frankly I will never understand why the Pentagon caved in on this issue.


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1 posted on 11/21/2004 6:53:11 AM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Frankly I will never understand why the Pentagon caved in on this issue.

You and me both.


2 posted on 11/21/2004 7:27:03 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Former Military Chick
There was no reason to cave in to an organization, such as the ACLU which has come out fighting to support pedophiles, unless someone at the Pentagon supports the ACLU and/or dislikes the Boy Scouts.
3 posted on 11/21/2004 7:31:16 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Former Military Chick
The ACLU needs to be slapped and slapped hard..
Talk about chipping away at our freedoms, the boy scouts are a big chunk of that freedom.. The ACLU's chipper needs its motor shot out.. and the chipper operators need a "motion" to be made toward them...
4 posted on 11/21/2004 7:38:14 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Da Jerdge; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...

5 posted on 11/21/2004 7:40:19 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Valin
To make an issue of it? I don't know.

Maybe the civilian GS workers made a call on this and not the military brass. I can imagine the ACLU trying to recall chaplains away from front line troops. I half hope that they would be so brazen to try that. And I hope the entire nation will know them because the ACLU exposes themselves for who they are: atheists that hate mankind.
6 posted on 11/21/2004 7:47:24 AM PST by SaltyJoe
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To: Former Military Chick

bmp


7 posted on 11/21/2004 7:53:20 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Former Military Chick

As an Eagle Scout - Class of '63 - I'm getting behind an all-out movement to destroy the The Enemy Within™: the ACLU. They are the root cause of much of the disintegration of America's moral and social fabric.

http://www.stoptheaclu.org/

Go to "ACLU Letter", print it out and fax it.


8 posted on 11/21/2004 8:09:03 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

Rumsfeld should be asked direct questions about this.


9 posted on 11/21/2004 8:28:10 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Former Military Chick
Looks like more damage from the organization of Bobby Barr. The unalienable right to the free exercise (within reason) of religious activity on public property is protected in the Constitution.

Why is right of political speech on public property advocated by the ACLU(as they should)yet they don't advocate the same for religious speech?

(My Bold)

10 posted on 11/21/2004 8:40:31 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Dante3

I've written him, but somehow I don't expect an answer.


11 posted on 11/21/2004 8:53:08 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Former Military Chick
really... we need to push some amendment that states something along the lines of "if your group is <2% of the population, the other 98% will do whatever the hell they want."

seriously, when did it make sense that 98% of an entire population needs to jump whenever some turd makes a noise? it makes no sense.

Since we are playing a game of "who spun it first"... how about the government stopping the abuse of my religious beliefs by the media with their nonstop afront to Christian values? They are just being insensitive to my beliefs by not allowing my children to pray if they want, promoting the death of unborn babies, under age sexual relations, and also allowing the homosexual agenda attack the sensibilities of my family.

/home-spun

12 posted on 11/21/2004 9:35:11 AM PST by sten
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As an Eagle Scout - Class of '63

Me too, and I agree -- the ACLU needs to be fought on every level. The most important level being the appoointment of judges who understand that the ACLU is not a spokesperson for our rights, they are way into taking our rights away. Lets keep the pressure on the Senate to let Bush do his job.

13 posted on 11/21/2004 9:49:09 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: sten

Good point.


14 posted on 11/21/2004 10:17:39 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Former Military Chick

Bump


15 posted on 11/21/2004 10:21:38 AM PST by ride the whirlwind
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To: Former Military Chick; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...
I wouldn't be surprised if this get overturned...Something's bubbling up..

This was in the House on Sat.


H. Res. 853: recognizing the Boy Scouts of America for the public service the organization performs for neighborhoods and communities across the United States

Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.

On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 391 - 3 (Roll no. 539).

16 posted on 11/21/2004 10:25:27 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Former Military Chick

H.RES.853 introduced 11/16/2004

Yup, The Congress is going to slap down the ACLU.....


17 posted on 11/21/2004 10:30:39 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Former Military Chick
First, a nominee for AG that is NOT a strong conservative but a supporter of affirmative action.
2nd, Support for a proponent of killing 3000 babies everyday to chairmanship.
3rd, turning away from the Boy Scouts.

President Bush, where is your "Capital" that you are supposed to be spending? Or, are you spending it on the Rinos?
18 posted on 11/21/2004 10:34:07 AM PST by TomasUSMC
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To: 7.62 x 51mm; Former Military Chick; ETERNAL WARMING; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; All

I'm getting behind an all-out movement to destroy the The Enemy Within™: the ACLU. They are the root cause of much of the disintegration of America's moral and social fabric.


Bump!


Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

19 posted on 11/21/2004 10:37:38 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: EdReform; Former Military Chick; 7.62 x 51mm; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe


20 posted on 11/21/2004 11:10:39 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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