Posted on 11/20/2004 2:29:20 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com
[I just called a few minutes ago and the bill hasn't gone to the floor yet]
Immediate Action Needed
Calls Needed Immediately to House Speaker Hastert
FAIR has learned that last night, almost all of the immigration reform provisions were removed from H.R. 10/ S.2845. As you know, House Conferee Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) has been a vocal advocate for including the House identification security provisions in the final bill and has held out against stubborn opposition from Senate conferees. We now know that House Speaker Hastert has given the ok to removing those provisions. A vote on the conference report, without those important immigration reforms, will take place later today. Rep. Sensenbrenner is expected to oppose the watered-down bill - but he needs your help.
Immediate Action Needed:
Please Call House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL)
(202-225-0600)
Identify your call as pertaining to the conference currently underway to iron out legislative differences between the House and Senate bills to implement the 9/11 Commission recommendations, H.R.10 and S. 2845.
Leave a message saying you are extremely disappointed that the House has caved in to pressure from the Senate and open-borders groups. This is a sellout of the hard work done by 9/11 families to make America more secure.
All of the immigration reform provisions came from the 9/11 report.
I am so glad to finally see a thread regarding this bill. Have you been watching the press conference on C-Span regarding the reasons why the WILL NOT BE PASSING BILL TODAY?
Jane Harman was the only one to name any names: Duncan Hunter. She also mentioned that the Pentagon is not in favor of the 9/11 intelligence bill.
How do you fall on the bill--in favor, or against?
Susan Collins said that they only put immigration language in the bill as it pertains to terrorism and that later next year, in the next session, they will tackle the overall illegal immigration problem. They all seemed to indicate that the immigration portion WAS NOT the reason they couldn't get a conference agreement in order for both houses to vote today.
They discussed coming in for a special session in December to take this up again.
Be sure to ask him why he's caving in, and how would he like to be voted out of office.
I am kind of confused---the article at the top of the thread mentioned that it would be letting the 9/11 families down if it isn't passed.
If the ones that are holding out, are holding out because they want stricter border control, then why would it disappoint the families? I would think they would be happy to shut down all borders.
I guess they don't want to listen to Rumsfeld! Be sure to nail Susan Collins. She and Lieberman were just on and she said that immigration provisions should be in immigration reform and they would try to get to it next year! The SENATE is the problem.
I was just checking out Muslims in Mexico. It is amazing how many hispanics are converting in Latin America and here, mostly in the LA Area. One of the converts noted how they just blend in with the rest of the Muslims and people think they are Arabs.
Here's a couple samples:
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/Converts/effort.html
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/7130976.htm
As the wave of reversions to Islam by the Latino-community continues, the process of transformation holds a different significance to each individual shahada. Some Latin Muslims find it is a return to the ancestry of their Moorish blood. Others find the concept of freedom from race identification to be one of Islam's assets. Still others find solace in the religion from the confines and inauthenticity of their culture's tradition of Catholicism. The Los Angeles Times interviewed Reymundo Nur and Saadiq Saafir, leaders of the Latin Muslim community, at the ILM Foundation. " 'We all realise that we're Muslim first,' Saafir said. 'This religion is going to bring us together.' Nur nodded. 'Inshallah,' he whispered. 'God willing.'"
http://www2.islamicity.com/LatinoMuslims/articles/spanishummah.html
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Also, the 911 families have been begging congress to include these immigration provisions because the 911 commission recommended them.
Families of 911 Victims Launch Ad Campaign Urging Senator Rockefeller to Keep Immigration Security Measures in 911 Bill
http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=25724
WASHINGTON, Oct. 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- 911 Families for a Secure America launched an ad campaign today in West Virginia encouraging Senator Rockefeller to keep immigration security measures in 911 anti-terrorist legislation. The West Virginia ads are part of a larger campaign being launched in states across the country represented by Senate Conferees on 911security legislation. Other Senators selected for the campaign are Lieberman (Conn.), Graham (Fla.) and Levin (Mich.). The ads feature Peter Gadiel, father of 911 World Trade Center victim, Jamie Gadiel. More ads are scheduled to launch today.
Both the House and Senate recently passed 911 bills, but there are major differences between the two. Senate and House Conferees are currently attempting to reconcile those differences with the goal of signing 911security legislation into law before election day. Conferees could complete negotiations as early as this weekend.
The 60-second radio commercials chastise the Senate for creating a 911 bill that ignores immigration specific reform recommendations of the 911 Commission.
Peter Gadiel remarked, "Many in the Senate are treating the 911 Commission Report as a work of fiction. If the Senate had no intention of listening to the recommendations, they should never have wasted the Commission's time or taxpayers' money. It's simply impossible to protect Americans from another 911 without implementing immigration security measures."
The commercials call attention to the fact that the House version of the 911 bill includes many important immigration protections and suggests Senators should keep the House immigration provisions in the final 911 bill.
The commercials conclude with Gadiel asking listeners to call their Senators and tell them to "keep House immigration protections in the 911 bill, so that more Americans don't end up like my son Jamie."
http://www.usnewswire.com
See post #5
Called. Bump.
You can contact Susan Collins through www.senate.gov
Denny Hastert - www.house.gov
or use the links in the main post.
Also see post #6
FYI
All I got was a message machine, so I left the message.
Be sure to call or email Susan Collins! The senate is holding these provisions out of the bill.
FYI
Deserving BUMP!
If this is the same legislation that's going to create a National ID card by the backdoor subversion of drivers' license requirements, I hope it dies and I don't care *why* it dies.
Kay Bailey Hutchison is on CNN and she said that the guest worker program is to keep track of where the illegals are at all times.
IRONIC beacuse I tried to tell the authorities about the illegals living behind our home and no one wants to listen.
Now that you're head is already spinning, here's another little jewel for you to think about!
Totalization: Sellout of American Workers
by Phyllis Schlafly
Nov. 17, 2004
The Democrats are trying to make a campaign issue out of George W. Bush's alleged plan to "privatize" Social Security, scaring seniors into thinking their checks will be cut off. That is a phony issue; all Bush suggests is to offer younger workers the option (not the compulsion) of transferring a very small part of their Social Security benefit into private investments.
The real threat to Social Security doesn't come from giving young people this opportunity. The threat comes from the Bush Administration's plan to load illegal aliens into the Social Security system, an idea that would skyrocket costs and bankrupt the system at the same time that baby boomers flood into their benefit years.
The code word for this racket is "totalization." The United States has totalization agreements with 20 other countries, which have been reasonable and non-controversial, but totalization with Mexico is TOTALLY different.
The idea behind totalization with other countries is to assure a pension to those few individuals who work legally in two countries by "totalizing" their payments into the pension systems of both countries. All existing totalization agreements are with developed nations whose retirement benefits are on a parity with U.S. benefits, and the affected employees work for companies that have been paying taxes into the other countries' retirement systems.
Workers from the other 20 countries come with documents from their employer verifying that they are authorized to work in the United States. Only a minuscule fraction of Mexicans enter with such documents.
The legitimate goal of totalization with other countries is to avoid double taxation for retirement when employers assign their employees to work temporarily in another country. Reciprocity works because there is rough parity between the number of U.S. workers in the 20 other countries and the foreigners from those countries who work in the United States.
But this goal has no relevance to Mexico. There is no parity whatsoever between the number of Mexicans working in the United States and the number of U.S. citizens working in Mexico, and absolutely no parity in the social security systems of the two countries.
Mexican benefits are not remotely equal to U.S. benefits. Americans receive benefits after working for 10 years, but Mexicans have to work 24 years before receiving any benefits.
Mexican workers receive back in retirement only what they actually paid in, plus interest, whereas the U.S. Social Security system is skewed to give lower-wage earners benefits greatly in excess of what they and their employers contributed.
Mexico has two different retirement programs, one for public-sector employees, which is draining the national treasury, and one for private-sector workers, which is estimated to cover only 40 percent of the workforce. The rest of the workers are in the off-the-record economy (euphemistically called the "informal" sector).
The 10 million Mexicans who have illegally entered the United States previously lived in poverty, did not pay social security taxes in Mexico, and did not work for employers who paid taxes into a retirement plan. If they were working at all, it was in the off-the-record economy.
Illegality is no issue with the countries where we have existing totalization agreements because none of them accounts for even one percent of the U.S illegal population. On the other hand, Mexico provides more than two-thirds of the illegals in the United States.
The Bush totalization plan would pay out billions in Social Security benefits to Mexicans for work they did in the U.S. using fraudulent Social Security numbers, something that Americans would go to jail for doing. It would pay Social Security Disability benefits to Mexicans who worked in the United States as little as 3 years.
The Bush totalization plan would lure even more Mexicans into the United States illegally in the hope of amnesty and eligibility for Social Security benefits. The Bush plan would even cover the Mexicans' spouses and dependents who may never have lived in the United States.
Since few if any of the illegal aliens have built up any equity in the Mexican retirement system, what is there to totalize? Totalization is a plan for the U.S. taxpayers to end up assuming the entire burden.
When George W. Bush became President in 2001, the Mexican government expected the United States to pass amnesty (disguised as a guest worker plan and "regularizing" the entry of Mexicans). After 9/11, Mexico's national policy turned to increasing the number of its nationals working in the United States and getting them to qualify for all the social benefits and privileges Americans receive, from driver's licenses to Social Security and Social Security Disability.
The Social Security commissioners of both Mexico and the Bush Administration signed a totalization agreement in June of 2004, but the text of the agreement has been kept secret. Maybe we will be permitted to see it after the President approves it and sends it to Congress.
Let your Members of Congress know you want them to stop this billion-dollar sellout of American workers and taxpayers.
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2004/nov04/04-11-17.html
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Reps. Sensenbrenner and Hostettler seem to be the ones listening to keeping immigration provisions in the intelligence bill.
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It appears Hutchinson is peddling the same deceit as our stammerer-in-chief, namely Amnesty now and Enforcement ..."later".
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