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Third of Americans Say Evidence Has Supported Darwin's Evolution Theory
Gallup.com ^ | 11/19/04 | Gallup

Posted on 11/19/2004 10:40:08 AM PST by jcsmonogram

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- Some 145 years after the publication of Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species, controversy about the validity and implications of his theory still rages. Darwin personally encountered much resistance after his book was published in 1859. Seventy-nine years ago, the famous Scopes Monkey Trial in Tennessee brought the issue of exactly where human beings came from into sharp public focus in the United States. Indeed, as recently as this month, a court case in Cobb County, Ga., dealing with the treatment of evolution and creationism in school textbooks received nationwide publicity. November's National Geographic Magazine asked on its cover: "Was Darwin Wrong?" and then proceeded to devote 33 pages to answering that question.

Darwin might be surprised to find such debate still raging nearly a century and a half after he published his book. He might also be surprised to find that even today there is significantly less than majority agreement from the American public that his theory of evolution is supported by the evidence.

Gallup has asked Americans twice in the last three years to respond to the following question about Darwin's theory:

Just your opinion, do you think that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is –  [ROTATED: a scientific theory that has been well-supported by evidence, (or) just one of many theories and one that has not been well-supported by evidence], or don't you know enough about it to say?

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To: js1138
It certainly is a tragic flaw in science that it can't explain everything. And medicine is useless because it can't cure everything, and police are useless because they can't prevent every crime. Amazingly enough, science has never proved anything. It must be useless.

Is that supposed to be an illustration of deductive logic?

Or did you forget the /sarcasm tag?

Science has theories and proofs, and often the "proofs" turn out to be incomplete. Sometimes the Laws need to be adjusted, in the face of new evidence.

That doesn't make them "useless" but it does make them fallible. People mistakenly believe science is infallible.

That is the error.

That is why science will eventually "correct" their errors, far more readily than pseudo-science will correct theirs. Pseudo-science is the New Religion.

I assume that any apparent contradictions are either incomplete analysis or errors, and if we keep looking we may get closer to The Truth, i.e. the Grand Unification Theory

As they say on X Files - "The Truth is out there".

61 posted on 11/19/2004 11:46:40 AM PST by Socrates1
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To: montag813

> Some scientists are embarrassed when asked, that they cannot explain what existed before the "Big Bang".

Don;t know why. "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer, and far more honest thatn many.

> Others are not afraid to utter the Lord's name confidently along with their scientific thought.

Yes, and often that Lord's name is Shiva.


62 posted on 11/19/2004 11:46:53 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: BillT
The biggest reason is that if Darwin is correct then Jesus lied, which is impossible as he is God and knows everything.

Or Jesus was telling a parable.

63 posted on 11/19/2004 11:47:09 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: bornacatholic
And just because Darwin hated his Christian Daddy and repudiated Christianity is no reason not to believe Darwin

So, if someone is not a Christian, you automatically assume they're not telling the truth?

64 posted on 11/19/2004 11:48:49 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jcsmonogram
Yes, interesting.

45% believe that God created Man in present form at one time in the past 10,000 years or so.

I'd expect a high percentage of that percentage voted for Bush.

As support for my expectation, 26% of those identifying as Conservative (and 29% identifying as Republican) think that "Darwin's Theory of Evolution Is a Scientific Theory Well Supported by the Evidence."

65 posted on 11/19/2004 11:49:27 AM PST by cogitator
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To: jcsmonogram

"Third of Americans Say Evidence Has Supported Darwin's Evolution Theory"

Not surprising, considering the NEA's origina and agenda, and the fact that grade school textbooks still show things like the long-disgarded "horse ascent" scam on the inside cover.

I'm actually surprised that 2/3 overcame the public school brainwashing enough to know its a theory and not supported by the evidence.


66 posted on 11/19/2004 11:49:30 AM PST by mikeus_maximus
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To: Luke21
Anyone who can believe that random collisions of atoms could possibly result in the absolute beauty
and complexity of life is lying to himself.
But if you reject a Creator you have no alternative.
What a sad state in which to find oneself. Forced to believe a lie in spite of the evidence.
67 posted on 11/19/2004 11:49:57 AM PST by trickyricky
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To: Socrates1
Here we go again...

That's why [Darwinism] is still a "theory".

Darwinism is a theory of how evolution happened. Evolution itself is not a theory. Maybe it happens through another mechanism besides natural selection, but there is no question that it happens.

It as well established as belief in a spherical Earth before there were artificial satellites.
68 posted on 11/19/2004 11:50:46 AM PST by clyde asbury (Hope this is what you wanted. Hope this is what you had in mind, because this is what you're getting)
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To: trubluolyguy
Anyone seen a blue-eyed ape recently?

is a blue eyed dog OK


69 posted on 11/19/2004 11:50:50 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: Southack; protest1
No. Perception is *not* reality. You may percieve that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but it does not actually do so.

Actually, I can design an Earth centric coordinate system that works just fine.

However, The Sun/Earth system actually revolves around a common center of mass that just happens to be located inside the Sun do the a vast disparagy in mass between the two objects..

70 posted on 11/19/2004 11:54:24 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: All
Man, these threads are becoming tiresome. It's like years of debates on this issue on FR have never happened and new waves of Creationists appear, making the same argument over and over again.

Now I know how Bill Murray felt in Groundhog Day.

71 posted on 11/19/2004 11:57:38 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jcsmonogram; Born to Conserve
Actually if you read a little further down, when asked about God creating man 10,000 years ago, you get about half agreeing with that.

SN1987A gave concrete evidence that it exploded about 170,000 years ago.

72 posted on 11/19/2004 11:58:20 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Born to Conserve

Now ask who believes in talking snakes.


73 posted on 11/19/2004 11:59:23 AM PST by chitownfreeper
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To: b2stealth

How the first organism was created hasn't much to do with anything Darwin ever wrote or said.


74 posted on 11/19/2004 12:01:13 PM PST by cwd26
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To: mikeus_maximus; All
I'm actually surprised that 2/3 overcame the public school brainwashing enough to know its a theory and not supported by the evidence.

Pure codswallop!!

I wish I had more time for this thread, but I must head to the lab.

75 posted on 11/19/2004 12:01:14 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: clyde asbury
Darwinism is a theory of how evolution happened. Evolution itself is not a theory. Maybe it happens through another mechanism besides natural selection, but there is no question that it happens.

Why does it happen?

What is the cause and effect?

Natural selection or genetic predisposition? (i.e.DNA)

Darwin has the only plausible theory to explain it, but it is still dreadfully incomplete. That doesn't mean it is wrong, but it does mean that portions of it MAY BE wrong. We have no way of knowing which parts.

76 posted on 11/19/2004 12:01:16 PM PST by Socrates1
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To: Modernman
It's like years of debates on this issue on FR have never happened and new waves of Creationists appear, making the same argument over and over again.

I remember creation-evolution debates being common in the early 1980s. Maybe these happen in cycles.

Galileo was persecuted unto death, and today the flat earth society is still around. Slow, but still progress.
77 posted on 11/19/2004 12:04:40 PM PST by clyde asbury (Hope this is what you wanted. Hope this is what you had in mind, because this is what you're getting)
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To: Modernman

If PETA asserts "facts" about meat, I assume their bias renders their "facts" questionable, at best.


78 posted on 11/19/2004 12:06:00 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: clyde asbury
It as well established as belief in a spherical Earth before there were artificial satellites.

And was that a rational belief or irrational belief?

The Flat Earth Society had a rational belief too, and a theory to prove it.

So your point about well established belief is ....??

79 posted on 11/19/2004 12:06:18 PM PST by Socrates1
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To: Modernman
Man, these threads are becoming tiresome. It's like years of debates on this issue on FR have never happened and new waves of Creationists appear, making the same argument over and over again.

Yes, I too have noticed that the evolutionists are the same old crowd with the same old worn out arguments. That all indicates that your side is not growing. Of course that does not prove anything except that evolutionist ad hominem attacks are not at all persuasive.

80 posted on 11/19/2004 12:06:57 PM PST by Dataman
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