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Forced to Work Off the Clock, Some Fight Back
NY Times ^ | NJovember 19, 2004 | Steven Greenhouse

Posted on 11/18/2004 8:03:56 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

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1 posted on 11/18/2004 8:03:58 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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My sister works for an insurance company that tells the employees they have to be on-line and ready by 8:30. It takes about 10 minutes or so to get there! So, they have to come in early or get reprimanded.This is also a company that times your bathroom breaks!


2 posted on 11/18/2004 8:11:49 PM PST by ozaukeemom (From one of my 13 yr old's friends"If Kerry is the question, the answer is Stupid")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

What a country, we have illegals working legally, and in this article we have legals working illegally. The NYT is not my paper of record, but from my first hand knowledge a lot of this coercion is going on.


3 posted on 11/18/2004 8:12:42 PM PST by Biblebelter
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Seems pretty common in fast food joints employing kids, neighbor kids all had to endure this or lose their jobs.
Scummy behavior on the part of employers.


4 posted on 11/18/2004 8:14:07 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: ozaukeemom

Oh, and, at the end of the day, she has to clock out at 5 even if the last call lasted til long after.


5 posted on 11/18/2004 8:14:07 PM PST by ozaukeemom (From one of my 13 yr old's friends"If Kerry is the question, the answer is Stupid")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I believe it. I used to have to work after my quitting time, even though I wouldn't be paid for it.

I think this goes on a lot.

Not sure if going to the labor board would help or not.


6 posted on 11/18/2004 8:18:33 PM PST by Netizen
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Having your employees arrive a little early to ensure that they are prepared to work is not a big deal. If you are being paid to work from 8:30 to 5:00, then you had better be prepared to start work immediately at 8:30.

Having said that, I will say that many of the cases identified in this article (assuming they are true) are an absolute disgrace. In Catholic moral theology, depriving a worker of his/her just wages is a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance.

7 posted on 11/18/2004 8:23:56 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

some car dealerships are doing this now in the service department. the mechanics essentially are hourly contractors. they come into work in the AM, if there are cars there with 4 hours of work on the clock needing repairs - you get paid for 4 hours of work.


8 posted on 11/18/2004 8:27:19 PM PST by oceanview
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Welcome to the salaried world, MWAHAHAHAHAA!


9 posted on 11/18/2004 8:30:06 PM PST by Cobra Scott
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Many weeks, Ms. LeBlue spent 40 hours in the salon, but was ordered to clock out for 20 of them while waiting for customers to show up, she said.



Not being paid while you're not doing what you were hired to do?!

THE HORROR!


10 posted on 11/18/2004 8:36:51 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba

But they still had to be there. Is their time/lives not worth anything?


11 posted on 11/18/2004 8:52:30 PM PST by Netizen
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If so, they can quit and find another job. FREEDOM!


12 posted on 11/18/2004 8:54:02 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba

that's like saying checkout clerks at the store should not be paid when, at certain times of the day, no one is on line to checkout. they should just stand there, at work, not being paid, while waiting for a customer to come to the register.


13 posted on 11/18/2004 8:58:21 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Beelzebubba

for some americans, these kinds of low paid service jobs is all they can do, all that's available. so if all companies engage in these practices, where are they supposed to go?

tell us, what do you do for a living?


14 posted on 11/18/2004 9:00:52 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

bump for later reading!'

I agree with you OceanView!


15 posted on 11/18/2004 9:03:43 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

My husband is a chef, paid hourly, and he just found out they have been basing his pay on his scheduled hours not his actual hours- a lot of times he gets in and his boss asks him to clock in early or they have to stay late to close. I know he should have been tracking his actual hours to paid hours all along, but he's too trusting for his own good.


16 posted on 11/18/2004 9:06:26 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Union


17 posted on 11/18/2004 9:10:45 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: oceanview
Its nothing new in the Auto Mechanic world if the books says it takes 4 hrs to repair you only get paid 4 hrs for the job. I've been working this way for years and I've never lost any money I can get most jobs done in half the time the book says it should be done, The worst case is it takes me 4 hrs to do the 4 hr job. The guys who aren't up to par are the one who suffer. Fortunate for me Dad put me to work on the family cars as soon as I was able to hold a wrench. I've never had any formal school training in auto mechanics only my Dads training(he was a part time auto mechanic, and a full time car nut). The ones who seem to do the worse are those who spent time going to a Tech school
18 posted on 11/18/2004 9:10:47 PM PST by KingNo155
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too bad the labor movement's gotten smacked around so badly the past few scores of years. now with dems abandoning workers (not to mention short on power), these folks'll be lucky to get a dime. and i'm sure they're just the tip of the iceberg.


19 posted on 11/18/2004 9:22:14 PM PST by radical_left_troll (that's right. troll. no shame...btw, i love this site.)
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This is not really a problem. You see we have a comparable number of workers who don't do any work when they are "on the clock".


20 posted on 11/18/2004 9:27:49 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet
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