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Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Twenty-Two

Posted on 11/17/2004 9:24:29 PM PST by nwctwx

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The Threat Matrix

The title refers to a daily report given to the president of the United States detailing the most serious terrorist threats against the country. To tackle those threats, the government has formed a top-notch task force to infiltrate the terror cells and cut off the danger.

"Every morning, the president receives a list of the top ten terrorist threats - this list is known as the threat matrix."

We here at FR are trying to be in conjunction with the daily reports around the world that involve threats. We try to provide a storehouse of information that takes hours of research.

YOU be the judge and get informed!
Threat Matrix - Daily Terrorism Threat

Connect these dots, now
Full Story
"We should have secured the Mexican border."

That could be the pitiful lament we hear from negligent U.S. officials if Al Qaeda pulls off an attack on the United States using weapons of mass destruction smuggled across our southern frontier.

Were that horrendous event to happen, leaders in the administration and Congress would be justly hit with the same question that was perhaps unjustly cast at them and their predecessors after the unprecedented Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks: Why didn't they connect the dots?

Related:
Bordering on Nukes?
'Bin Laden has fatwa for nuclear attack'
Jihadists Anticipate Imminent Nuclear Strike Against U.S.

"I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat."



TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: terror; threat; threatmatrix
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To: Cindy

Chrismukkah Yarmuclaus

Chrismukkah Holiday Cards

3,461 posted on 12/17/2004 11:09:51 PM PST by JustPiper (NoE-the Enemy !!!)
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To: Cindy

waving and niters -g-


3,462 posted on 12/17/2004 11:14:26 PM PST by JustPiper (NoE-the Enemy !!!)
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To: JustPiper

Good to see you, too! Hugs!


3,463 posted on 12/17/2004 11:16:24 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cindy

So far, so good. No weird people taking pictures of the house tonight.


3,464 posted on 12/17/2004 11:46:19 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (Couldn't you have stopped shooting at us and watched your baby grow instead?)
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To: JustPiper

Good night JP.
Have a good weekend.


3,465 posted on 12/18/2004 12:00:45 AM PST by Cindy
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To: SlowBoat407

Good.


3,466 posted on 12/18/2004 12:01:16 AM PST by Cindy
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1304019/posts

"Language is important in the battle against Islamic terrorists"
Union Leader ^ | 12/18/04 | Deroy Murdock


Posted on 12/17/2004 11:21:13 PM PST by kattracks


3,467 posted on 12/18/2004 12:10:01 AM PST by Cindy
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To: All

http://wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=2706864


3,468 posted on 12/18/2004 12:16:35 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Velveeta; MamaDearest; Godzilla; All

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Dec/17/br/br01p.html
Updated at 11:33 a.m., Friday, December 17, 2004

"Police storm Wahiawa house to end standoff"

By David Waite
Advertiser Staff Writer

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Police stormed a house today across from Iliahi Elementary School in Wahiawa and forcibly removed a man who allegedly threatened his brother earlier with a machete.

Officers from the Specialized Services Division stake out a home across from Iliahi Elementary School in Wahiawa after a man allegedly threatened his brother with a machete. The suspect was later arrested.

Bruce Asato • The Honolulu Advertiser
Heavily armed members of the Specialized Services Division set off a stun grenade about 8:50 a.m. and forced their way into the home to the rear of the lot at 2010 California Ave.

They arrested 39-year-old Daniel Crawford on suspicion of first-degree terroristic threatening."


3,469 posted on 12/18/2004 12:26:00 AM PST by Cindy
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To: JustPiper

LOL!

Is this your way of saying Merry Christmas?

What can I say? Very Exquisite choice.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.


3,470 posted on 12/18/2004 5:12:41 AM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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Security scare closes British airport

12/18/2004, 9:10 a.m. ET
The Associated Press

DARLINGTON, England (AP) — Police arrested a Libyan man and blew up his luggage Saturday in a security scare that closed a small regional airport for about two hours.

No traces of explosives were found in an initial check of the luggage at Durham-Tees Valley Airport, police said.

It was not immediately clear why the 35-year-old man's baggage aroused suspicions, but he was arrested under the Terrorism Act, police said.

Passengers were evacuated from the flight, which was destined for London Heathrow airport, and army experts carried out a controlled explosion on the suspect's luggage.

Police said the suspect was an electrical engineer employed by a Libyan oil company and had been studying in Britain for six months. He had a ticket for a connecting flight to the Libyan capital, Tripoli, police said.

Richard Whitehouse, commercial manager at the airport, said six flights and about 750 passengers were delayed by the temporary suspension of operations.


3,471 posted on 12/18/2004 6:55:03 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: freeperfromnj

lurking


3,472 posted on 12/18/2004 8:08:00 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways (but you must follow the instructions carefully))
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To: ExSoldier

Fortunately it probably get veto'd by Jeb.


3,473 posted on 12/18/2004 8:54:02 AM PST by Godzilla (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.)
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To: Godzilla
Hopefully it won't get that far. The solidly Republican legislature should utterly crush this and it's sponsor long before it even gets near the Governor's desk. But I'm worried that this is the opening salvo in a battle that will last for a good long time. Waaaaay past the 2008 election cycle, unless we are able to crush it NOW, before it gets underway.
3,474 posted on 12/18/2004 8:59:29 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: All
Greetings fellow TM'rs! Long time, no post but I've continued to lurk. I see you are all still hard at it and the persistance and devotion of many of you "old-timers" (you know who you are :>) ) is simply amazing.

I want to copy and paste some comments from an OP on another thread from another board. This information, as is typical, has been all over the web in just the 3 or 4 days since it was first posted. If it has already been posted here, or if I am violating some new requirement of the TM then I apologize in advance. I certainly don't want to waste bandwidth or violate any TM requirements.

I am posting the following information because I would like to tap the vast intelligence and experience represented here on this forum to help me debunk and/or find discrepancies in this poster's sensational and disturbing claims.

My first take on it was this was that it is an outlandish yet ingeneous hoax. As I attempted to verify some of the information by researching, I could not really find any "errors" in this person's claims. Obviously he (or she) could just as easily have researched the web to come up with the information posted. But....the ultimate reason this person claims for putting forth his (or her) story is what I (and TM, hopefully) am most interested in.

I live in Houston, so when the hairs on the back of my neck stood up after reading this, I decided to scrutinize it a little closer. For what it's worth, the information I am copying and pasting below has been sent to the FBI, Rep. Ron Paul, and the mayor and city council of Houston (not by me but by others). I want to think that that somehow Lyndon LaRouche figured out how to post his crap on the internet and that this is his typical "crap". (tongue halfway in cheek) Besides, if you enjoy a good read as I do, then you will enjoy reading this.

As always, please do not shoot the messenger. :>)

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German guy 12/14/2004 4:45 pm EST December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks Anyone else able to pick up CIA and other US government "chatter". I can, and I have. December 27 is the day that´s freaking out the minions at the alphabet agencies (but not the controllers at the good ol´ al-CIAda network). It sounds as if it´ll make 911 look like rather a fun day.

German guy 12/14/2004 4:52 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks How do I know? I´m a former employee for the German foreign intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst. There are still large number of mission-critical US bases in this country. I know what they have for breakfast each morning, even the colour of their underwear. How do the CIA tap into "al Qaeda" chatter? They use the same methodology I employ

German guy 12/14/2004 4:57 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks I can also tell you that the US military expect to lose the war against the resistance movements in Iraq. I also know about Iran´s contingency plans for a surprise American or Israeli attack.

German guy 12/14/2004 4:59 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks President Bush is deliberately destroying your military

German guy 12/14/2004 5:02 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks So what are these plans German Guy? ---------------

Oh, there´s now way I´m going to tell you that. I do not support what your President is doing

German guy 12/14/2004 5:12 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks Much of the chatter speaks about nuclear detonations in your country and attacks on shipping. I also know that the Americans are *hoping* proactively for a "terrorist" attack in Europe (especially Germany) to get European sentiment behind the Bush policy. However, it won´t work as many journalists (and the BND) are aware of the CIA and some Mossad people who were behind the bombings in Madrid. If the CIA goes ahead with this plan, they will be found out and the rage against America will intensify. It would mean the end of diplomatic relations between my country and yours

German guy 12/15/2004 12:09 am EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks Thank you for your many comments, some of which are extremely intelligent with good observations and others which are quite funny. I must drive to meet some people in Frankfurt today and meet with a friend who still works at the American Consulate in the Siesmayerstrasse. (I was once a very good friend of Douglas Kramer, a Clinton appointee who was Vice Consul in 1997.) I will get back to you later today and add some more about the CIA plans for Europe. It is very important that readers, whether they are ordinary American citizens or members of the US intelligence services, realise that it would be extremely foolhardy to plan staged "terrorist" attacks against European centres of population

German guy 12/15/2004 12:31 am EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks Yes, there is of course a lot of collaboration between the British and American services that gives rise to concern. Firstly, it is important to draw a distinction between the ordinary and dedicated employees of the agencies at the lower and middle levels, and those in senior positions who are not really interested in national security, but long-term power politics. The British invest heavily in power politics because they have an agenda that cannot be supported by their military. Instead, they use the American military to achieve these goals. In fact, if the truth was known, many Americans would be horrified to learn that the American military serves the interests of the British and Israelis first and American interests last. Tony Blair is not really a prime minister in the democratic sense. He is a rubber-stamped (by the people) Crown place-man who is really the prime minister of the City of London, which is the centre of the Anglo-Saxon financial and political empire

German guy 12/15/2004 12:52 am EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks I don´t think the German people would tolerate a desire to take back former colonies as we are very opposed to such discredited imperial politics. You must also remember that Germans are mostly pacifists, having suffered two horrendous wars that were organised by their enemies in London. This is one reason why your President is so unpopular in Germany. He reminds a lot of people of Adolf Hitler

German guy 12/15/2004 1:14 am EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks Dml, I´m not familiar with the prophet of whom you speak but I have read about other prophecies made many years ago that have come to nothing. At the moment in Germany we have severe economic problems and this is likely to last for some years to come. In fact, there is so little money in the public purse that the government is thinking of abolishing compulsory miltary service (young people may also opt for civil service if they are pacifists). We have a very small standing army and cuts are to be made here too. There are also constitutional factors which would prevent an aggressive foreign policy. No political party that I know of (not even the far right) supports the idea of imperialism. People are too concerned with unemployment and cuts in social spending

German guy 12/15/2004 1:36 am EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks Yes, the cities that are mentioned most as sites for nuclear detonation are Houston, Dallas and Atlanta. In Europe, we have computed multiple references to Frankfurt, Paris, Munich and Berlin (Frankfurt is at the top of the CIA/Mossad "hit list"). A lot of this chatter can be accessed by intercepting the Echelon system, the raw information output of which is processed by the NSA in America and the Royal Signals in Britain (as a sidepoint, the Echelon system is no longer reliable or efficient because it doesn´t use intelligent algorithms). What I rely on is good old-fashioned telephony interception, but on a software platform that unencrypts communications between the various US military installations and CIA stations dotted around Europe. Also, the best intelligence you have is another long-forgotten system called "human contact"! Yes, taking briefings from the intelligence community direct (on an informal off-duty basis, of course). The Israelis are very good at selling software-based intelligence systems but I have never had much faith in their objectivity (on the human side). The Russians are progressing rapidly in this area and many agency people I know are extremely impressed with their communication robots (they are like software vacuum cleaners that suck up information from electronic communications, but are in Russia much more advanced than the "dumb" Echelon system. Echelon produces too many false positives

German guy 12/15/2004 1:56 am EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks These are interesting questions. If I only have time to answer one before I travel to Frankfurt, I shall try to address the others when I return. To 9-11. I personally (and many within the German intelligence services) believe that 9-11 was an internal operation planned and executed by an extreme pro-Israel faction within the American government and intelligence services. The technicalities evident in both planning, timing and precision flying point to the use of technologies not available to so-called terrorist groups. We believe that the relationship between the so-called al-Qaeda group (really the Muslim Brotherhood which is financed by the British) and the Israeli intelligence services is very complicated, but there is an alliance of convenience. We ran a personality profile on some of the alleged hijackers, analysed handwriting and applied linguistic methodologies, and thus believe that Atta was a Mossad asset. There is also an enabling aspect on the part of the Pakistani intelligence services, which is a clone of the CIA. Yesterday Musharraf told your media that he had done everything possible to destroy the Taliban enclave in the border areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is a lie. Neither the Americans nor the Pakistanis have any intention of breaking the Afghan rebel forces, as they will need them to become more extreme and regain the coüntry at a future date. I think it would be very interesting to see Osama bin Laden and Mr Wolfowitz in a room together privately, for I am sure they would kiss each other on the cheeks as brothers under the skin with roughly the same general project, though sharply divergent goals.

German guy 12/15/2004 2:25 am EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks I have ofetn heard my American friends remark with surprise that Germans are not "controlled", as they thought. By NWO I think you are referring to the "new world order" system Bush Senior spoke of during the first Gulf War. Firstly: in Germany it is illegal for government agencies to share information about citizens they deal with on an ordinary basis. There is no central computer that links all of the various departments. (It is a different matter if you are seen as a threat to the constitution, and that matter is dealt with by your local state and not by the federal authorities.) As yet we do not have a biometric ID system, although that may happen in the future following approval from the European Parliament. This has been forced on us by the American government. Nobody in Germany is enthusiastic about this development, but if you travel to America regularly, you will not get entry permission after October 2005 without biometric data in your passport. I have not heard about Satan appearing on any ID card. You can however see such things by folding various international paper currency in a certain way, so I think it has more to do with imagined demons than any deliberate symbolism. If there is a continuing move to a world order of concentrated power, then this would rely first on the destruction of the American people and the American system of government. This is already happening in the United States and the biggest culprits are to be found in the American government itself. It seems that a grouping of international corporate entities and financial institutions have decided that America at this late stage is only good for projecting military force, and so it will use up American resources to advance its own agenda until there is not much left of American power and credibility. At the geopolitical level there are only two main beneficiaries: Israel and the City of London (Israel will then be destroyed by the CoL and international corporate power groups). At the financial-imperial level, the major corporations and institutions involved in the bleeding away of American military power have little to lose, since all of them have sufficient assets outside of US territories and would survive the collapse of the United States as a global power. So if this is what you mean by a world order, then you are correct. It will not be a global system of control connived by nation states, but rather by corporate and financial entities (who already enjoy enormous power and influence at all levels in all countries). I shall have to answer other questions when I return later today

German guy 12/15/2004 4:49 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks I have just returned from Frankfurt and need to brew some coffee before progressing with this discussion (fortunately my head is full of English as I have spent most of the day with some old American friends). Firstly I would like to comment on what John Doe wrote: Quote You can believe the "German Guy". I have another cloak-and-dagger pseudonymn to add the roster. John Doe. I operate under the auspices of CSIS. Bewteen 2000 and 2001, I was attached to the Organisierte Kriminalität under the BND. We were investigating Mossad ha-Mossad le-Modiin ule-Tafkidim Meyuhadim connections to Muslim-based terrorist cells in Hamburg and Düsseldorf. In September of 2001 just as we were closing in on a Mossad agent, the operation was shut down by order from Pullach. All agents were reassigned. I was sent back to Ottawa - and then later reassigned to Canadian Consulate in Bejing. But while attached to the BND, I did overhear some intel chatter regarding late December, 2004. Although only bits and pieces (sound byte here and there - which I´ve been formally trained to decipher when in a framed context), it appears to relate to a multi-intel-agency operation involving a number of Western governments, including the CIA which initiated the op. Target unknown. Weapon and delivery system unknown. However, the operation has been named as ´Feuerball´ by the BND. German for fireball. As my connections to the BND have been severed and I have no formal working relationship with CIA (only lower level FBI), there´s not much I can offer. Hopefully the German insider may pass along some more sound bytes as the time is nearing closer. Unquote I retired shortly before the operation you mentioned. I take it you would have been part of a three-way operation since the local state Landesamt für Verfassungsschutz (Agency for the Protection of the Constitution) likes to stick its bureaucratic nose in wherever it can :-) Yes, Sir, welcome to the world of politically compromised intelligence with first-class operatives let down by poor management structures. No small coincidence that Mossad was on the receiving end. This was not the main reason I took early retirement (mainly my health) but it was a big consideration. Mossad has committed a large number of crimes in Germany and we have been able to prove it. But our political masters always prevent us from finishing the job. You may have heard about Uwe Barschel who ran foul of Mossad? Murder made to look like suicide that was a classic Kidon killing. Or the Free Democrat leader Jürgen Möllemann who suffered an unfortunate accident when his parachute failed to open? (Strange that he had begun to develop an outspoken criticism of Israel´s West Bank policies!) Now the Metsada in Israel are directing their Katsa operatives (or Sayan helpers) to stir up muslims in Germany, hoping to provoke tensions and ill feelings between the communities, which is a shame because we have very good mixed culture relations here. You are probably correct in identifying the codename ´Feuerball´ or similar to the anticipated next wave of "terrorist" activity, although I cannot confirm that personally. There exists at present some rivalry between Pullach and the BND presence in Berlin (I was against the move to Berlin and was quite outspoken on that) and they even have rival codewords for the same projects. I still keep in touch with some of my colleagues and we continue to swap notes (over a beer or several :-), and I still have good contacts to some Americans I used to work with. Furthermore I work as a hobbyist with an old partner who is a technical computer genius and we network with other retired or resigned BND service personnel. Let me tell you what we fear most - and this comes out of our intercepts. We do not fear so-called Arab "terrorists". We fear Mossad and we fear some of the groups that work on the far side of the CIA. Mr Rumsfeld once explained his "mad dog" theory of international posturing, saying that an unpredicatble America would be an America respected out of fear. Well he is wrong. Because after a while the unpredictability becomes eminently predictable and all vanishes into thin air

German guy 12/15/2004 5:19 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks I spent some years in London, so I think I can say I have a good grasp of the English language. Someone following John Doe asked me about technology and what fruits they have produced. The technology I and my partner use is a mixture of intercepts that break encrypted channels (including wireless) between military and intelligence stations (Israeli, British, American, Pakistani and others) and web bot programmes based on advanced analysis of Hebrew (including known code words and phrases), Hebrew dialects (Yiddish etc), all the permutations of Arabic with regional dialects, as ell as the same for other middle and south east nations. (As I said, the best intelligence is "human intel": direct contact with people who have an important story to tell in confidence.) Though I cannot give you precise details on any of the cases I worked on while under my employment contract up to 1999, I can say (because this has already been admitted at a senior government level, albeit without any mention in the US media) that we knew about the planned 9-11 attacks three months before they occurred and we warned the American government twice. They chose to ignore us. Because of our intelligence findings, there is not one government in Europe that believes the official version handed down to the American people. That includes Tony Blair, Mr Bush´s staunchest ally. Every prime minister and every president within the EU (and most not in the EU) knows that 9-11 was an internal operation, and though their intelligence services have made that fact known to their American counterparts, none dare address the US government directly. To some extent this is where Mr Rumsfeld´s "mad dog" policy had some success in the beginning. However, Germany´s foreign minister (and my last political boss) Joschka Fischer, saw off US pressure to commit German troops to Iraq by privately telling Rumsfeld that sanctions against Germany would result in his publishing these findings in the media and telling the world about it. It worked, and the Bush administration backed off

German guy 12/15/2004 5:36 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks More recently we have been monitoring intensively the situation in Iran and American preparations for an assault on that nation´s installations. Without betraying any aspect of Iran´s readiness in this matter, I can only advise the Penatagon against any incursions in that sphere. The immediate consequences for Israel would be dramatic, to say the least, and the US navy would be seriously injured. However, as I said before, there is an obsession at play in the US administration by senior people who are not primarily concerned with America´s best interests, but with certain corporate interests. Not even the loss of Israel, which is inevitable anyway, worries these people much. Even Ariel Sharon has purchased for himself property in Greece and many member of the Israeli establishment are making preparations to relocate to South America, most likely Patagonia where huge tracts of land have already been purchased by the Israeli government with funds supplied by the United States. Indeed, we estimate that around 20 percent of the defence budget allocated for Iraq has mysteriously disappeared into this account

German guy 12/15/2004 6:00 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks This was reported to me by a colleague: When the representatives of the BND presented to the American team its own view that Iraq did not possess WMD, the American side admitted that conventional intelligence had not produced any real evidence either. But, they said, we know it´s there. We asked how they knew, but they did not provide us with a proper answer. However, we learned through intercepts that the Pentagon had employed "psychics" to visualise suspected Iraqi outposts. These lunatics then claimed to have seen huge stockpiles of lethal weaponry, including the whole palette of ABC weapons. On this basis, America invaded a country that did not threaten them. Now I hear that Mr Wolfowitz is talking to Jewish mystics to try to divine the right decison to make on Iran, this time through the arts of Kabbala. I know very little about this kind of religious practise but I do know that you should not allow such things to influence the foreign policy of the world´s major nation.

German guy 12/15/2004 6:13 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks To answer a previous question: I didnÄt find the GLP forum, rather it found me. I spend all my free time doing researches for papers I am writing and (hopefully) a book. This is apart from my activities in private intelligence and communications monitoring. The internet is a good source of post-qualified information if you know where to look. It is not a primary source. In addition, I enjoy reading posts made in many so-called "intelligence forums" where people speculate about what may or may not happen. That´s how I found a lively discussion here about two months ago and I thought it would be interesting for me to post some of my information here too

German guy 12/15/2004 6:21 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks Maybe you should ask the FBI (perhaps anonymously) whay they aren´t investigating reports that Atlanta, Dallas and Houston are being singled out for the detonation of a nuclear device. I think you probably know the answer. In fact, we have no indication that the FBI has been informed at all and this pattern looks very similar to that seen prior to the events of 9-11

German guy 12/15/2004 6:24 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks "and risks all his confidentiality agreements" I´ve already explained that I cannot talk about cases to which I was personally assigned during my service until 1999. What I am discussing with you now does not contravene either confidentiality agreements or my own code of ethics. This is fine for publication.

German guy 12/15/2004 6:30 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks Does the term "The Libary" mean anything to you? (I´m not referring to a conventional library.)

German guy 12/15/2004 6:33 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks DHS, I already replied to that question: Quote To answer a previous question: I didnÄt find the GLP forum, rather it found me. I spend all my free time doing researches for papers I am writing and (hopefully) a book. This is apart from my activities in private intelligence and communications monitoring. The internet is a good source of post-qualified information if you know where to look. It is not a primary source. In addition, I enjoy reading posts made in many so-called "intelligence forums" where people speculate about what may or may not happen. That´s how I found a lively discussion here about two months ago and I thought it would be interesting for me to post some of my information here too. Unquote

German guy 12/15/2004 7:08 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks First of all, Clio, let me say I´m having great difficulty posting replies at the moment. There seems to be a long delay in submitting. Corporate interests across the board have a vested interest in causing a bigger crisis than 9-11. All of our findings point to a nuclear incident in one of the three cities I mentioned. Let´s refer to the people behind this as the "Hidden Hand". Who in the public eye is most closely identified with this Hidden Hand? Paul Wolfowitz. From whence does it draw its membership? Inter-services: CIA, military, mercenary (ex-SAS: British logistics and ex-CIA Latin America operatives); Mossad aka "al-Qaeda" (Muslim Brotherhood backed by the City of London power brokers). How is it financed? Laundered money (Cayman Isles up until 1999), Afghan and SA drug money, funds diverted from the military budget. What is their purpose? To collapse the US economy, suspend normal government and militarise American society (conscription) - in place of destroying Frankfurt´s finacial district which is home to the Central European Bank. What do they gain? In terms of politics, complete power and the sympathy of the world. It would then allow them to default on the national debt caused by huge budget deficits. At a personal level, the corporations of which key US admin would guarantee an income stream since many have already bailed out of US stocks. Who else gains? In the short term, the City of London financial super-class and Israel. Who loses? Almost everyone else. Please also note: We have reason to believe that many "terrorist" prisoners in US custody are being subjected to long periods of intense sensory deprivation and methods by which they acquire a new controlled personality. We think they are being programmed for something.

German guy 12/15/2004 7:24 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks Many, many questions. It is now 01.20 and I´m ready to sleep, so I will have to return tomorrow. To the library: Ever heard of Barry Seal? He was helped by "The Library" and many members still remember him with fondness. In short, it is an informal "club" for ex-intelligence operatives, from all nations, who fear that the "Hidden Hand" organisations are out of control and are leading the world to destruction. Some people reading this will understand.

German guy 12/16/2004 8:22 am EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks I have just logged on earlier than anticipated to read your messages, some of which are very perceptive and some of which are deliberately misleading. Other people posting as "German guy" must understand that they are not doing themselves or their fellow citizens any favours. I won´t register so you must use discernment. I shall be back with more information and background this evening at around 23.00 hrs CET.

German guy 12/16/2004 1:38 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks I may only be able to post once this evening as I have a very urgent meeting later. So here goes. It should follow next.

German guy 12/16/2004 1:39 pm EST Re: December 27 ... Expect "something big" ... This is it, folks Paul Wofowitz will authorise the detonation of a nuclear payload in the Houston area on December 27, 2004. The Hidden Hand network (Mossad/al-Qaeda/SAS) of which he is the nominal controller has verified in advance every aspect of operational integrity - a failsafe job with zero chance of discovery. Houston has been primed for months via deliberate mismanagement, incompetence, corruption and embezzlement at its FEMA-independent Emergency Center. The police and fire services have been deliberately and systematically sabotaged and thrown into administrative chaos so as to ensure maximum fatalities in the aftermath of the detonation. However, the existence of the center will provide the Bush administration with a "we did everything we could" excuse. We believe the Hidden Hand envisages the following scenario: 1. Detonation on Dec 27 (could be delayed, but all our intercepts point to this date) 2. The State Department blames "al-Qaeda", whose leaders are allegedly hiding in Iran 3. Iran (truthfully) denies giving refuge to said leaders 4. Bush issues Iran with a cowboy-style deadline for delivery of alleged leaders 5. Iran fails to comply because it cannot 6. UN convenes in emergency session - no agreement (Watch Ariel Sharon quietly flee to his private estate in Greece) 7. Other foreign intelligence agencies dispute the State Department version 8. Happily for Wolfowitz, Osama bin Laden releases a videotape claiming responsibility, warning America not to attack his "brave warriors" in Iran 9. American fighters launch a "decapitation" attack on the Iranian government and alleged "al-Qaeda" bases We know that the Wolfowitz network has concealed a remote-controlled nuclear payload in the Houston area. None of our intercepts give us exact coordinates. We have also heard the same code system used in regard to Atlanta and Dallas, although not with the same frequency. We believe that Mara Salvatruchas, the CIA-run Salvadora syndicate, is peripherally involved with the Wolfowitz network in protecting and running cover for a rogue ex-SAS British assassin who is perhaps the world´s leading logistics and reconnaisance expert. Last known as either Frank Riley or Terence Lawley, we believe that he was responsible for the murder of nuclear physicist John Mullen on June 29. Mullen was approached by a Hidden Hand contact man posing as a CIA agent at the behest of Wolfowitz on February 12, 2003, and was asked to provide the "CIA" with an hypothetical schematic of a remote-controlled, trunk-sized nuclear device with a payload "several times greater than ´Fat Man´" (in the interests of nationaly security). Mullen was told that the hypothetical impact area would be "a city the size of Houston". Mullen complied with this request but grew suspicious toward the end of 2003 and abruptly ended his cooperation. At the beginning of June, Mr Mullen decided to contact the staff of former National Security Adviser, Sandy Berger, with a view to discussing his CIA work with him. At the time Berger was too busy too see him immediately owing to his work as foreign policy adviser to John Kerry. We believe that this is what sealed the fate of Mr Mullen, as Sandy Berger does indeed have informal links to the Wolfowitz network and it is conceivable that Berger warned Hidden Hand. Incidentally, three weeks later Berger was charged by the FBI with the theft of critical documents from the National Archive relating to evidence that he had helped Wolfowitz facilitate the 9-11 attacks. Wolfowitz is also running a Mossad agent in the Houston area called Avner Meir, whose present status is unknown, but we believe he is currently holding a visitor´s visa. His job is to facilitate the smuggling of Muslims (any Muslims will do) across the Mexican border and provide them with accomodation and distress funds under the asuspices of a fake charitable organisation. We suspect that Meir, also a master forger, will provide the unwitting Muslims with forged US passports and driving licences, plenty of Muslim literature, commendations and enough money to be "seen and remembered". This was the basis of my discussions with American diplomatic personnel in Frankfurt yesterday, both of whom have been locked in secret discussions with the German government over, among many other things, their application for political refugee status in the event of making this known to the media. The far side of the CIA and Mossad have been ordered to drop any plans they may have had for bombing the financial district of Frankfurt, including the European Central Bank. The Wolfowitz Network has decided that the Houston detonation must take priority over everything else. All of our intercepts, field information and disclosures from former (and not so former!) US diplomatic personnel, tell us that the American people are being set up for another, but even more devastating, 9-11 tragedy in which a tiny group of people will gain enormously at the expense of the rest of the world.
3,475 posted on 12/18/2004 9:03:08 AM PST by milkncookies
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To: callmejoe
While I recognize that avaian flu has great potential for a health disaster, I am a little leary of potential 'chicken little' mentality that is present in some 'world' health organizations. They play fast an loose with some of their data. Take the last para from your post.

has reported 44 confirmed human cases of A(H5N1), 32 of whom have died, a 72.7 percent rate.

How many unconfirmed cases have there been? It is easy for all to see how lame the use of the above 'statistics' are. Until cooler heads prevail I'm not going off the deep end.

3,476 posted on 12/18/2004 9:03:28 AM PST by Godzilla (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.)
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To: subsea06
It was marked with the following information: 'white phosphorus - contact military or law enforcement.' It is believed this is not an explosive device but a military flare.

I don't like the feel of this. What is this kind of controlled device doing near a nuke plant?

3,477 posted on 12/18/2004 9:05:28 AM PST by Godzilla (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.)
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To: JustPiper
may mean it is preparing for a dramatic eruption...

In line for the season....let it blow, let it blow, let it blow. Great for volcanologists and won't cause much of a problem. Shucks, I may even try to take a few days and get a view if my ear gets better before it goes. But nothing to necessiate prayers.

3,478 posted on 12/18/2004 9:15:09 AM PST by Godzilla (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.)
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To: ExSoldier
But I'm worried that this is the opening salvo in a battle that will last for a good long time.

Unfortuntately I think it will last a long time. As long as there are liberal bastions such as Kalifornia and DC, there will be support of these pieces of junk across the nation, even in red states.

3,479 posted on 12/18/2004 9:19:47 AM PST by Godzilla (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.)
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To: milkncookies
First, welcome back!

Second, here is my first impressions on 'German guy'

1. I suspect that he has had some degree of background in intelligence operations, or at least an obsessive interest in the world of cloak and dagger. Much of his jabber could probably found open source.

2. He makes it clear that he opposes President Bush and the policies of the U.S. Therefore, I would suspect that much of what he states is very slanted in that aspect.

3. He clearly tips his hand by going back to the old, OLD story that 911 was the product of the mossad. Second instance is the accusation that the Madrid bombings were the work of US/mossad agents too. This tells me that he is definitely pushing a political agenda that has been discredited.

4. He does not own the hardware necessary to decrypt US encrypted communications.

As far as 'debunking' the individual, he has a high BS factor and is possibly tapping into the 'hate Bush' crowd on what ever thread this is on. Accordingly, he has probably built up a following who are believing this bunk hook, line and sinker. His 'name dropping' is too generous but is also difficult to nearly impossible to follow-up on. However, a tip could be made that some one at the American Consulate in the Siesmayerstrasse met with a German intelligence agent on 12/15/04 in Frankfurt. He dances around hard facts making it impossible to pin him down. Reminds me kind of like ‘Aussie Bloke’ and the astroid farce this past summer.

Perhaps the biggest chik in his armor is the mossad - 911 claim. It is well documented in the jihad world that it was the work of AQ, and have OBL praising his operation in his own words as well as recent video of OBL claiming the operation as his. I don’t think that if it was an Israeli operation he would take the credit. However, a lot of research will need to be done (with references) to debunk him. Secondly, the discussion would require that he be forced to provide credable references too to substantuate his claims. He appears to like to substantuate his claims on the basis of his own conceived of credability. His hate Bush followers would likely jump in making the thing quite a donny brook.

3,480 posted on 12/18/2004 10:03:49 AM PST by Godzilla (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.)
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