Ohio To Go Through Statewide Recount

wcpo.com ^ | 11/16/04 | AP

[bobjam]

A statewide recount of the presidential vote appears inevitable after a pair of third-party candidates said they have collected enough money to pay for it.

The recount would be conducted after the election results are certified in early December.

Libertarian Michael Badnarik and the Green Party's David Cobb said on Monday they raised more than $150,000 in four days, mostly in small contributions.

Ohio law requires payment of $10 per precinct for a recount, or $113,600 statewide.

Badnarik and Cobb said they aren't trying to overturn President Bush's 136,000-vote victory in Ohio, but just want to ensure that all votes were counted properly in the face of concerns about Election Day irregularities.

"Our bottom line is to stand up for the integrity of the voting process because the voting process is the heart of the democratic process," said Blair Bobier, spokesman for Cobb.

Bobier said it will be worth the price to ensure the final outcome can be trusted.

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said the actual cost to county election boards combined will be about $1.5 million.

[JasonC]

Wrong. We know the Dems cheated like crazy. But they also play heads I win, tails I lose. They cheat, and if it is enough and works, prevent anything being done about it. And if it isn't enough and doesn't work, they point to the irregularities they themselves deliberately caused, and file a lawsuit or ask for a do over or recount, which they then continue trying to steal. You fall for it. We don't. That is all. We will certainly look for and prosecute frauds. But putting the election back in play is their only goal, and you are furthering it. You don't fight cheating by insisting on giving cheaters a half dozen tries at it.

[AmericanVictory]

The Republicans may not be as much the Stupid Party as they were, but the Libertarians have become the Dope Party.

[Sooth2222]

It may have started with Bill Mahr

Bill Mahr is no libertarian, despite his claims. Except, maybe, about drugs. But he conveniently ignores the other 98%.

[kabar]

Election fraud is the MO of the Dem Party. Every big city political machine is controlled by the Dems. Historically, we know that the Daley, Pendergast, Tammany Hall, Hague, et. al. machines have been stealing elections for generations. In Presidential and other statewide elections, the tactic is very simple: Wait until the vote from the rest of the state comes in and then manufacture the votes you need to win.

The Dems used this strategy in this election. Philadelphia, Detroit, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, and other Metro areas provided the margin of victory to capture their respective states. The Dems are fast becoming the urban party, witness the red/blue map by counties. Urban elections translate into massive and widespread fraud.

[mortal19440]

They don't care if it is overturned, they just want to try and delegitimize Bush . Then they can scream the same BS they did the last 4 years.

[queenkathy]

I didn't catch all of the Lars Larson show last night but I heard that in some state, I think NM, they "found" another box of 10,000 ballots that all went for Kerry. Have you heard of that? And Bush was down to 2,000 votes ahead.

[Sam's Army]

Sounds like you could use a little talk, given the stress of the election and all. Here's a number for you to fix ya right up:

561-395-3033

[Semi Civil Servant]

Badnarik and Cobb said they aren't trying to overturn President Bush's 136,000-vote victory in Ohio, but just want to ensure that all votes were counted properly in the face of concerns about Election Day irregularities.

What a putrid lie.

I never want to hear about the noble ideals of Libertarianism again.

EVER.

I've voted for a couple of Libertarians over the years, but never again. I've cut the Libertarians some slack before now, but never again. The only purpose the LP serves is to elect democrats.

Grow your pot. Marry your sister. Build a yurt on five acres of un-zoned. But don't ask to be taken seriously. Whatever good that might have existed in the LP has been completely negated by the rag tag core of the party -- the libertine stoners, the immature losers, the dyspeptic theoreticians, the addled Utopians, the stealth leftists, and the professional trouble makers. Do the country a favor and leave politics to serious people.

 

[VeniVidiVici]

I think NM, they "found" another box of 10,000 ballots that all went for Kerry.

Hadn't heard that. Though the number 10,000 and NM has been bantered about:
1. Gov Bill Richardson said he'd deliver 10,000 votes for Kerry.

2. I believe 10,000 votes *were* found for Gore in NM in 2000.

[75thOVI]

Bushbot.....Hmmmmmm. That's a first for me. Before voting I had to sit down and do some serious thinking. Who's treason was worse, John Kerry's for his actions during and after the Vietnam War. Or, George W. Bush's for signing the Anti- (not un, anti!) Constitutional Campaign Finance Reform Act in to law. Bush actually lost that issue for me, but won (barely) on others. I have given serious thought to the libertarian party. Not long after 9-11 there was a post headlined on FR about the libertarian party taking out their first national newspaper ad. I was on AOHell dial up at the time. In the four hours it took the ad to load I had time to wonder what the libertarians considered their #1 national priority. Certainly the threat of terrorism was at the front of most people's minds. Harry Browne had truly expressed the libertarian view of that. "We asked for it, we deserved it." I thought, maybe the national party wanted to make a statement that wasn't written by al-Jazeera. CFR itself was up for a vote. That's an issue that seems ready made for the libertarian party. There were several other issues that escape my recollection right now. (I had a lot of time to think about it.) Finally the ad popped up. "The War on Drugs Finances Terrorism!!" Uh-hum..... We cannot put the children in charge. My suggestion, you people have a good message. Seriously, I think you do. However, as a party, libertarians couldn't lead a pack of starving wolves to meat. Learn how to speak to the American people on the many subjects that concern them. Not just through the lens of your favorite issue.
My mind is open. Convince me that the libertarian party can be trusted in the government of this country. And, by the way, leave the "Bushbot" stuff for DU, it's much more useful at their level of discourse.

[oceanview]

that's only within the same state, not across the country.

[MeekOneGOP]

There is so much horrible junk in Ohio's result that I cannot understand why Kerry conceded so fast. There were whole counties that reported more votes than registrants. There was horrible vote suppression all over the state. This was a text book example of dirty tricks overwhelming the real vote.

You are pretty dam* fast to make it sound like there is REPUBLICAN fraud.

May I remind you that the DemoKrauts are the Kings of vote fraud ??

Kerry gave up because he KNEW he lost big enough, that even the vote fraud they used couldn't help him.

I've not voted for a DemoKraut in forever (and NEVER will again), and have never voted for a Libertarian, and never will.

"There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!"

[Lancey Howard]

Barry Richard and the Bush team of lawyers will be watching.

[SuziQ]

A statewide recount of the presidential vote appears inevitable after a pair of third-party candidates said they have collected enough money to pay for it.

I'd be curious to know exactly from WHOM they received the money to fund it.

No matter, it may even end up like Florida, 2000, with the President getting even MORE votes than they thought he had!!

[volchef]

you're right about urband fraud. I watched the orange county website here in FL (Orlando) and Bush was winning up until the last 20 precincts which all went 2000-500 for Kerry and Bush lost here in Orange county.

I'm sure our RAT supervisor knows nothing of this

[SuziQ]

Write your Representative, and Senator, asking for a bill to require photo I.D. in order to vote.

Even MA was doing that this last election! There was a big ad in the paper from the State Govt. to bring your ID to your polling place, especially if you'd registered or moved since the last election. I'm never asked because I've been voting in the same place for 16 years; local and national elections, so they know me.

[MeekOneGOP]

haha! You made me try to 'decode' that try to find a hidden
word meaning or something (like "eat $&%#" or something).
Nuttin' .....

Who's number is that?

[bootless]

Ah, Barry Richard - the Legal Lion.

[justshutupandtakeit]

It is a worthless party and is clearly shown to be in the hands of the RATS. Who in their right mind would believe the GOP won by fraud when fraud is the standard MO of the RAT and has been for 200 yrs? This recount if honest will show that the RATS vote total was inflated by several hundred thousand in Ohio. It is laughable to find people actually defending this recount in the name of good government. The parties demanding the recount should pay the entire cost however.

[js1138]

I've voted libertarian a few times, but I doubt if I will be doing so again any time soon.

I don't mind seeing Ohio recounted. It made not difference in Florida, and it will make no difference in Ohio. It would be interesting to get some idea of the double voting and false registrations, but recounts will never make up for a percentage point margin.